VENTING- SO ANNOYED AT FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES STILl USING NANNIES AND CLEANERS

[Anonymous]

DH and I are working from home full-time. We have three kids - a 9-year old who has to be homeschooled, a 4-year old who needs to be engaged, and a 18-month old who needs to be taken care of. We have a house and backyard that have to be maintained to be enjoyable, and it is critical that remain enjoyable during this time when we are confined to them.

So, our live-in nanny continues to work and take care of the youngest.

Our cleaners are now coming once and week vs. two since the house is getting much more wear. They are masked and gloved, and we leave the house while they are here.

Landscapers continue to come as before, nothing changed, we are not in touch with them, they come and do their thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've had our cleaners come a few times. They work for a corporate office cleaning company which provides them with: Masks, booties, gloves - new when they come in our house. They change their vacuum bag with every house, use disinfecting products and wipe down the inside of their car. The team is two sisters who live together.

We leave the house before they enter and don't return until they are gone. They leave our house more hygienic than when they arrive and we provide them with a big tip as well. I have no problem with this and am happy to keep more people employed than not.

We are doing the same.

[Anonymous]

In your own words you are "drowning", yet, you begrudge the people who have found a way not to be drowning.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope Jeff’s favorite movie is Groundhog Day. He lives it, but on the internet.

Tha post wins the Internet today.
So true.

[Anonymous]

"If people aren't breaking the law... why do you care?"

I'm a NP, but kind of disturbed at home many people are STILL conflating what is legally allowed with actual best practices. Or even near-best practices.

Of course everyone should weigh risks and benefits, and I'm not saying no one should use a nanny or other household help.

But it. Does. Not. Matter. Whether you "pass my code of morals" or whatever.

The virus. Does. Not. Care.

It doesn't matter if you keep a nanny because you're disabled and a single parent and will absolutely will lose your job if you don't employ one OR if you keep a nanny because you feel like sitting around drinking rose all day. Not in terms of the actual health risks to you and the rest of your community!

Obviously one is more "moral" in the opinions of most people, and one introduces more "unnecessary" risk than the other, but the actual risk is the same on a case-by-case basis.

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Anonymous wrote:But they are all near each other.

Who??

Lawn crew.

So are all the other workers authorized by the state to continue working during the lockdown.

This includes liquor stores, gun shops, home repair businesses, sanitation workers, bankers and auto repair shops among others. ALL of these jobs are allowed.

If people aren't breaking the law, and continuing to work enables them to maintain employment and consequently their health insurance, why do you care?

But mulching your lawn is not essential. Or is it???

Honey, if you want a tacky looking yard, be my guest and let your's go. Why don't you put a sofa on your front porch while you're at it. Yes, in my world, a mulched lawn is essential.

[Anonymous]

So what are you doing when you leave your house? You aren’t working or doing DL. Why not clean the house during that time?

At least one PP admitted to just not wanting to clean their own toilet.

And you can still pay your staff even if they don’t come.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF? There's nothing wrong with us having our nanny continue to work. They live alone, and we are ordering all the groceries they want. DH drives the nanny back and forth each day so they don't have to take mass transit or Uber.

They?

They can now be used as a singular pronoun. Perhaps PPs nanny is non binary.

Not by people who use proper grammar, it can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what are you doing when you leave your house? You aren’t working or doing DL. Why not clean the house during that time?

At least one PP admitted to just not wanting to clean their own toilet.

And you can still pay your staff even if they don’t come.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've had our cleaners come a few times. They work for a corporate office cleaning company which provides them with: Masks, booties, gloves - new when they come in our house. They change their vacuum bag with every house, use disinfecting products and wipe down the inside of their car. The team is two sisters who live together.

We leave the house before they enter and don't return until they are gone. They leave our house more hygienic than when they arrive and we provide them with a big tip as well. I have no problem with this and am happy to keep more people employed than not.

So where do you go? Ours hasn’t come since late February but I’ve asked her to come in mid May. I’d like to leave the house during that time but not sure where we can go (and still safely work since it’s a weekday). I’m thinking about just having her do a portion of the house one week and the other half the next week.

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Anonymous wrote:But they are all near each other.

Who??

Lawn crew.

So are all the other workers authorized by the state to continue working during the lockdown.

This includes liquor stores, gun shops, home repair businesses, sanitation workers, bankers and auto repair shops among others. ALL of these jobs are allowed.

If people aren't breaking the law, and continuing to work enables them to maintain employment and consequently their health insurance, why do you care?

But mulching your lawn is not essential. Or is it???

It is for me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is SO frustrating that you think by completely isolating we are solving the issue. . . completely isolating lowers the infection rate (we are at less than 50% occupancy in ICUs in DC), but it doesn't solve anything really other than capacity issues. When they "reopen" the same amount of threat today will still exist on July 15th too (until there is a vaccine) - if people continue to get it, then they will continue to generate herd immunity for us so be grateful . . .it'll help you in the long run. You are seeing the forest for the trees. . . so focused on the rule and not focused on the bigger picture.

My nanny is still coming - her family is self-isolating as well. My DH still has to work (out of the house) and I have to work in the house and have 3 kids under 8 to homeschool. My housekeeper is not coiming b/c i worry about her health, but we are paying her. Do I pass your code of morals?

NP. Please educate yourself on how herd immunity actually works. I think you have missed a great deal of recent medical news, none of it supporting your idea that exposure "will help you in the long run."

We are nowhere near even starting a path toward herd immunity in terms of numbers of infections versus numbers needed for immunity. But what matters even more is that there is almost nothing known yet about whether those who have had the virus ARE immune or not (but studies are starting to indicate that infection may not confer immunity or may confer it only for a short period). Meanwhile there is not even a treatment for this virus--forget a cure, you can't even be treated yet in any way that helps fight the virus; treatment is just to make people comfortable as their bodies decide either to recover or to die. Those who recover increasingly are found to have permanent organ damage.

You won't like those facts and the usual cry on these boards is "negative nelly!" But a few minutes with a couple of reputable news sources shows that far too little is known for anyone to say breezily that it'll be good if we all get this virus. That's the opposite of what medical and research professionals are saying as of today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WTF? There's nothing wrong with us having our nanny continue to work. They live alone, and we are ordering all the groceries they want. DH drives the nanny back and forth each day so they don't have to take mass transit or Uber.

They?

They can now be used as a singular pronoun. Perhaps PPs nanny is non binary.

Not by people who use proper grammar, it can't.

Language evolves with the times. They is now used as a non gender specific pronoun. I’ll admit that it’s confusing sometimes but it’s now considered proper (and respectful). In writing you can use xhe but not sure how you’d pronounce that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I have two young kids and simply cannot work from home for months (a year or more?) on end with no child care. We have our nanny coming (she is only seeing our family). It is essential if we want to keep our jobs. We don't have our cleaners coming though.

Why won't you consider having a nanny come if all parties agree to form your own bubble?

Yeah. I agree with you on cleaners, OP, but nannies? I do not think that is an unreasonable choice. I worked out a deal with my employer where I am temporarily half time for half pay. My kids are 8 and 10. And we are still having a tough time of it. I cannot imagine how DH and I would each put in 40+ hours with younger kids. It just would not be possible.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:But they are all near each other.

Who??

Lawn crew.

So are all the other workers authorized by the state to continue working during the lockdown.

This includes liquor stores, gun shops, home repair businesses, sanitation workers, bankers and auto repair shops among others. ALL of these jobs are allowed.

If people aren't breaking the law, and continuing to work enables them to maintain employment and consequently their health insurance, why do you care?

But mulching your lawn is not essential. Or is it???

Honey, if you want a tacky looking yard, be my guest and let your's go. Why don't you put a sofa on your front porch while you're at it. Yes, in my world, a mulched lawn is essential.

DP. "A mulched lawn is essential." I wish you lived across the street from me so I could wave at you cheerily from my mown but oh so un-mulched yard. I'd be sure to send our friendly squirrels over to dig in your lovely mulch. They're too fast for you -- they'd get away before you could hurl your paisley-patterned designer Wellington boot at them.