Why do people deny DC speedcams rocket for 1mph over?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Constantly see people denying it but even WTOP radio this morning discusses t ha t they ticket for 1mph over .

What's the problem?

If you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, then drive below the speed limit. The speed limit is the maximum speed you're legally allowed to drive under ideal conditions.

speed limit enforcement 1-5 over is unreasonable, no one gets pulled over for 1-5 over. Adjust the speed limit to 5 higher

Whether or not the police pull drivers over for it, it's still against the law. Drive below the speed limit, then you don't have to worry.

How far below the posted speed limit is acceptable? People, like you, who drive 5-10 below the speed limit are a safety hazard, and should be ticketed for impeding the flow if traffic.

This thread is about speeding not about driving too slow. Don’t speed, don’t get a ticket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Heres a tip for you DC residents. Invest in some flex seal or expandable foam, and go to town on these cameras. Or find a way to convince the kids to focus their vandalization on these cameras.

DC resident here. Completely agree about the first part. Everyone should make their cars camera ticket-proof.

I’ve lived here for decades now (meaning, TONS of driving both pre- and post-camera installation). I believe I’ve had about 5 tickets in 20 years. I started playing hardball when I saw that the *location* of most (not all) cameras had everything to do with raking in “Gotcha!” revenue and zero to do with safety.

A typical example is the recent camera sited at the BOTTOM of the long hill on Military Rd near 28th, to maximize odds of drivers doing a >26 mph but not at the location where it would address an actual safety issue. One block away, at the top of that hill ...The high-volume intersection near St. Johns HS that sees a hundred of teen pedestrians daily? Squishy humans crossing the street and boarding buses? Nope, no camera there to encourage slower speeds. Drivers can, and routinely do, go 45 there

You see this all over DC at the bottom of hills. Porter, K st, SE-SW freeway, SD ave. Safety isn’t the criterion, getting my money is. I’ve figured out a subversive way to keep my money from the District while ALSO being a safe, respectful driver. Eff them

I know people who live along that stretch of Military and a few blocks off of it and they are quite happy with the placement of those cameras.

[Anonymous]

+1 for Flex Seal and expandable foam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Constantly see people denying it but even WTOP radio this morning discusses t ha t they ticket for 1mph over .

What's the problem?

If you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, then drive below the speed limit. The speed limit is the maximum speed you're legally allowed to drive under ideal conditions.

speed limit enforcement 1-5 over is unreasonable, no one gets pulled over for 1-5 over. Adjust the speed limit to 5 higher

Whether or not the police pull drivers over for it, it's still against the law. Drive below the speed limit, then you don't have to worry.

How far below the posted speed limit is acceptable? People, like you, who drive 5-10 below the speed limit are a safety hazard, and should be ticketed for impeding the flow if traffic.

This thread is about speeding not about driving too slow. Don’t speed, don’t get a ticket.

IF this thread is about speeding, why do people like you keep suggesting driving below the limit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should be expected that you are driving about the speed limit. People driving way under are also a hazard in traffic, so just saying to drive under the speed limit is not good advice, as some people will overcompensate and drive way under. Plus, speedometers are not 100% accurate and people shouldn't be penalized for a 1 mph error. Raising the limit is not the answer, as it doesn't address any of these problems. The mph should stay the same, people driving +/- 5 from that should be presumed to be driving the limit, and anyone else (over OR under by more than 5 mph) should be subject to a ticket.

The bolded might be true on this highway but not in the city where there are also pedestrians and cyclists and people turning, etc. The speed limit in the city is too high anyway- the limit is 25 most places and people think that means they can drive 38mph, which greatly increases the potential for hitting other road users like pedestrians and cyclists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Heres a tip for you DC residents. Invest in some flex seal or expandable foam, and go to town on these cameras. Or find a way to convince the kids to focus their vandalization on these cameras.

DC resident here. Completely agree about the first part. Everyone should make their cars camera ticket-proof.

I’ve lived here for decades now (meaning, TONS of driving both pre- and post-camera installation). I believe I’ve had about 5 tickets in 20 years. I started playing hardball when I saw that the *location* of most (not all) cameras had everything to do with raking in “Gotcha!” revenue and zero to do with safety.

A typical example is the recent camera sited at the BOTTOM of the long hill on Military Rd near 28th, to maximize odds of drivers doing a >26 mph but not at the location where it would address an actual safety issue. One block away, at the top of that hill ...The high-volume intersection near St. Johns HS that sees a hundred of teen pedestrians daily? Squishy humans crossing the street and boarding buses? Nope, no camera there to encourage slower speeds. Drivers can, and routinely do, go 45 there

You see this all over DC at the bottom of hills. Porter, K st, SE-SW freeway, SD ave. Safety isn’t the criterion, getting my money is. I’ve figured out a subversive way to keep my money from the District while ALSO being a safe, respectful driver. Eff them

I know people who live along that stretch of Military and a few blocks off of it and they are quite happy with the placement of those cameras.

Um, these cameras are at the bottom of hills because people tend to speed up going down hill. There are also crosswalks at most of the places that you mention (I am not familiar with the SE-SW freeway so maybe not there). But there is one on Military that has bad sightlines already because of the large trees; drivers speeding down the hills have trouble stopping for pedestrians trying to lawfully cross.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Constantly see people denying it but even WTOP radio this morning discusses t ha t they ticket for 1mph over .

What's the problem?

If you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, then drive below the speed limit. The speed limit is the maximum speed you're legally allowed to drive under ideal conditions.

speed limit enforcement 1-5 over is unreasonable, no one gets pulled over for 1-5 over. Adjust the speed limit to 5 higher

Whether or not the police pull drivers over for it, it's still against the law. Drive below the speed limit, then you don't have to worry.

How far below the posted speed limit is acceptable? People, like you, who drive 5-10 below the speed limit are a safety hazard, and should be ticketed for impeding the flow if traffic.

This thread is about speeding not about driving too slow. Don’t speed, don’t get a ticket.

IF this thread is about speeding, why do people like you keep suggesting driving below the limit?

Here are the options:

1. Drive faster than the speed limit
2. Drive exactly the speed limit
3. Drive slower than the speed limit

That's all there is. There are no other options.

#1 is illegal.

#2 is difficult to do, except on a limited-access highway on cruise control.

So that leaves #3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Constantly see people denying it but even WTOP radio this morning discusses t ha t they ticket for 1mph over .

What's the problem?

If you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, then drive below the speed limit. The speed limit is the maximum speed you're legally allowed to drive under ideal conditions.

speed limit enforcement 1-5 over is unreasonable, no one gets pulled over for 1-5 over. Adjust the speed limit to 5 higher

Whether or not the police pull drivers over for it, it's still against the law. Drive below the speed limit, then you don't have to worry.

How far below the posted speed limit is acceptable? People, like you, who drive 5-10 below the speed limit are a safety hazard, and should be ticketed for impeding the flow if traffic.

Maintaining the flow of traffic is not the primary goal.

Safety is the primary goal.

You are allowed to drive slower than the speed limit - unless you're driving much slower than the speed limit, on purpose, to slow other people down.

You are not allowed to drive faster than the speed limit, ever.

Actually we are allowed to drive over all the time due to an unenforceable law 95% of the time. That’s why the law is dumb unless coupled with an effective enforcement method. Cameras make it more effective. Other technology would enable even more effective enforcement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Constantly see people denying it but even WTOP radio this morning discusses t ha t they ticket for 1mph over .

What's the problem?

If you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, then drive below the speed limit. The speed limit is the maximum speed you're legally allowed to drive under ideal conditions.

speed limit enforcement 1-5 over is unreasonable, no one gets pulled over for 1-5 over. Adjust the speed limit to 5 higher

Whether or not the police pull drivers over for it, it's still against the law. Drive below the speed limit, then you don't have to worry.

How far below the posted speed limit is acceptable? People, like you, who drive 5-10 below the speed limit are a safety hazard, and should be ticketed for impeding the flow if traffic.

This thread is about speeding not about driving too slow. Don’t speed, don’t get a ticket.

IF this thread is about speeding, why do people like you keep suggesting driving below the limit?

I have not suggested going below the limit. Rather, not speeding. I agree with a PP that going exactly the limit is difficult so a safe driver would err on the side of below the limit. Five below the limit is good for me. I am in no rush. How fast do you have to go and why?