6 year old arrested at school. Florida, of course.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of folks on this thread making up facts out of whole cloth. Inventing a story where this child was "kicking the crap out of" her classmates and teachers, etc.

I'd like to invite those folks to consider that their (entirely fictional) version of events is racialized, and based on this idea of Black people - even Black children - as being somehow extra violent, and extra dangerous.

There has been extensive writing on how Black children are essentially denied childhood, because they are assumed to be dangerous from the moment they are no longer toddlers.

The results of the findings were that black girls were perceived to be more mature and less innocent, which directly affects young black females with the way they’re treated in educational and criminal justice systems. This “adultification” makes adults cast the same stereotypes on kids as they do on adult black women. “It’s the stereotype of black women as being loud, aggressive, and over-sexualized,” said co-author Jamilia Blake, of Texas A&M University, to the New York Times. “You can trace [these stereotypes] all the way back to slavery.”

https://www.todaysparent.com/kids/school-age/black-girls-face-discrimination-as-young-as-five-years-old-says-new-study/

[Anonymous]

I am seriously shocked. I thought of all stories, there would be unanimous thought that you don't arrest and handcuff and mugshot a six-year-old. It's dumbfounding to me that anyone is defending this. You're defending a man who violated policy and was fired for it, yet some of you think it's still justified? This is seriously messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:And an 8 year old in the same week.

This is sickening and absolutely a racial thing. School to Prison Pipeline right here.

I live in Orlando and it's very much in the news in a WTAF sort of way, so it's not like everyone down here is "what, what's the problem." The officer was suspended and the prosecutor refused to do jack about it, so the "system" is at least working there. Despite the fact that the system never should have been invoked.

The officer is black.

DP but officers of every color feel much freer to arrest and mistreat black children than white. A racial thing doesn't necessarily mean personal animus - most racism is societal. Society will bring the hammer down on a cop that arrests a little white girl, regardless of context. Meanwhile society, as expressed by DCUM, will go give us countless logical contortions about the vicious kicking beast that had to be controlled when the story is about a black girl.

Wow, that is an iron clad excuse of all excuses if you ask me. Well done!

I'm sorry you don't understand structural racism. There are approximately infinity studies on the topic showing that black people get arrested for things white people get warnings for; that black children's misbehavior is criminalized while white children get timeouts. Reality isn't usually seen as an "excuse," but I guess if you really don't want reality acknowledged you might be a tad miffed.

O.k. so the answer is to allow a little girl suffering from behavioral issues caused by sleep apnea to continue to kick the crap out of her teacher, disrupt her classroom and defy authority? You know that's crazy, right?

She didn't kick her teacher, she kicked a staffer in the principal's office. And even then, she didn't "kick the crap out of" anyone, she kicked someone once, and only after they grabbed her arms. But keep up the "vicious kicking beast" narrative. It's a great look. You're not on the wrong side of this narrative at all, with all your made up facts and demands for complete obeisance from first graders.

You are saying that the school staff mishandled the situation? If they had handled it correctly a resource officer would not have been brought in?

Believe it or not, I do find the idea of a 6 year old being arrested pretty appalling. But I also find it hard to believe that a situation with a 6 year old ever escalated to this level in the first place. I have personally never witnessed anything remotely like this and I tend to think that this was a highly unusual situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I am seriously shocked. I thought of all stories, there would be unanimous thought that you don't arrest and handcuff and mugshot a six-year-old. It's dumbfounding to me that anyone is defending this. You're defending a man who violated policy and was fired for it, yet some of you think it's still justified? This is seriously messed up.

There's a difference in defending this and acknowledging that this was most likely an extreme situation and that we don't know the half of what actually happened.

No, I don't think a 6 year old child should be arrested, finger printed and booked. I do see how a school might have run out of options to deal with the situation, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of folks on this thread making up facts out of whole cloth. Inventing a story where this child was "kicking the crap out of" her classmates and teachers, etc.

I'd like to invite those folks to consider that their (entirely fictional) version of events is racialized, and based on this idea of Black people - even Black children - as being somehow extra violent, and extra dangerous.

There has been extensive writing on how Black children are essentially denied childhood, because they are assumed to be dangerous from the moment they are no longer toddlers.

The results of the findings were that black girls were perceived to be more mature and less innocent, which directly affects young black females with the way they’re treated in educational and criminal justice systems. This “adultification” makes adults cast the same stereotypes on kids as they do on adult black women. “It’s the stereotype of black women as being loud, aggressive, and over-sexualized,” said co-author Jamilia Blake, of Texas A&M University, to the New York Times. “You can trace [these stereotypes] all the way back to slavery.”

https://www.todaysparent.com/kids/school-age/black-girls-face-discrimination-as-young-as-five-years-old-says-new-study/

Well, that is truly depressing. I guess people just plain flat suck and there is no hope. Is that the takeaway?

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Anonymous wrote:I am seriously shocked. I thought of all stories, there would be unanimous thought that you don't arrest and handcuff and mugshot a six-year-old. It's dumbfounding to me that anyone is defending this. You're defending a man who violated policy and was fired for it, yet some of you think it's still justified? This is seriously messed up.

There's a difference in defending this and acknowledging that this was most likely an extreme situation and that we don't know the half of what actually happened.

No, I don't think a 6 year old child should be arrested, finger printed and booked. I do see how a school might have run out of options to deal with the situation, though.

Twice? Yeah, right.

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I didn't read the thread but I knew the kids were black. White kids don't get treated like this.

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Anonymous wrote:I am seriously shocked. I thought of all stories, there would be unanimous thought that you don't arrest and handcuff and mugshot a six-year-old. It's dumbfounding to me that anyone is defending this. You're defending a man who violated policy and was fired for it, yet some of you think it's still justified? This is seriously messed up.

There's a difference in defending this and acknowledging that this was most likely an extreme situation and that we don't know the half of what actually happened.

No, I don't think a 6 year old child should be arrested, finger printed and booked. I do see how a school might have run out of options to deal with the situation, though.

Twice? Yeah, right.

Was the other child black, too? Or has that been stated?

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Anonymous wrote:GMAFB... the officer has issues.

He has been arrested for beating his own 7yo child.

There is NO...NONE...NADA reason to arrest and 8 year old!

How was a man who was arrested for beating a child employed as a resource officer?? Crazy!

Why would the school bring a person like that in to handle a run of the mill tantrum? More questions than answers here!

Orlando sucks and police are given too many chances.

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Anonymous wrote:And an 8 year old in the same week.

This is sickening and absolutely a racial thing. School to Prison Pipeline right here.

I live in Orlando and it's very much in the news in a WTAF sort of way, so it's not like everyone down here is "what, what's the problem." The officer was suspended and the prosecutor refused to do jack about it, so the "system" is at least working there. Despite the fact that the system never should have been invoked.

The officer is black.

DP but officers of every color feel much freer to arrest and mistreat black children than white. A racial thing doesn't necessarily mean personal animus - most racism is societal. Society will bring the hammer down on a cop that arrests a little white girl, regardless of context. Meanwhile society, as expressed by DCUM, will go give us countless logical contortions about the vicious kicking beast that had to be controlled when the story is about a black girl.

Wow, that is an iron clad excuse of all excuses if you ask me. Well done!

I'm sorry you don't understand structural racism. There are approximately infinity studies on the topic showing that black people get arrested for things white people get warnings for; that black children's misbehavior is criminalized while white children get timeouts. Reality isn't usually seen as an "excuse," but I guess if you really don't want reality acknowledged you might be a tad miffed.

O.k. so the answer is to allow a little girl suffering from behavioral issues caused by sleep apnea to continue to kick the crap out of her teacher, disrupt her classroom and defy authority? You know that's crazy, right?

She didn't kick her teacher, she kicked a staffer in the principal's office. And even then, she didn't "kick the crap out of" anyone, she kicked someone once, and only after they grabbed her arms. But keep up the "vicious kicking beast" narrative. It's a great look. You're not on the wrong side of this narrative at all, with all your made up facts and demands for complete obeisance from first graders.

You are saying that the school staff mishandled the situation? If they had handled it correctly a resource officer would not have been brought in?

Believe it or not, I do find the idea of a 6 year old being arrested pretty appalling. But I also find it hard to believe that a situation with a 6 year old ever escalated to this level in the first place. I have personally never witnessed anything remotely like this and I tend to think that this was a highly unusual situation.

Yes, I am saying that the school staff mishandled the situation. The girl was having a tantrum but no one was hit or kicked until she was grabbed by a staffer. That means it was the school employee who escalated this from a tantrum to physical contact. This school had TWO different 6 year olds arrested in the same day in separate incidents, both arrests resulted in an apology from the Chief of Police and a chastisement from the State Attorney for participating in the school-to-prison pipeline. Nothing about that says "gee this school probably handled everything correctly!"

So I turn, again, to your incredulous "she must have deserved it, let me make some stuff up" positioning here. There's nothing to defend here, yet you can't seem to stop defending it. I notice you didn't even address the fact you fabricated facts to support your credulous authority uber alles nonsense. What is your end game, exactly? It's not getting to the bottom of the situation or you wouldn't be making stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:I am seriously shocked. I thought of all stories, there would be unanimous thought that you don't arrest and handcuff and mugshot a six-year-old. It's dumbfounding to me that anyone is defending this. You're defending a man who violated policy and was fired for it, yet some of you think it's still justified? This is seriously messed up.

There's a difference in defending this and acknowledging that this was most likely an extreme situation and that we don't know the half of what actually happened.

No, I don't think a 6 year old child should be arrested, finger printed and booked. I do see how a school might have run out of options to deal with the situation, though.

No. I think schoolwork use resource officers because they assume they are not insane and on the verge of losing their job.

[Anonymous]

I'm so disgusted with the people on this thread who think it's ok to handcuff and arrest a child. Just disgusted. People like you are why us SN parents live in constant fear for our kids. You all are gross.

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Anonymous wrote:A sleep disorders does not cause a 6yo to throw a tantrum at school and then kick an adult. These kids seem to have no idea how to behave.. I'd be livid if my kid did this.

Lack of sleep definitely causes poor behavior, as well as exacerbating mental health issues and physical health problems. Don’t you feel at least a little grouchy when you don’t sleep well? Isn’t it worse after several nights? Now imagine feeling like that with the mental abilities and impulse control of a 6 year old. It could definitely lead to a tantrum, and tantruming kids sometimes kick.

It’s not a good situation. It’s not okay behavior. But it’s not arrest-worthy.

O.k....if the parent/guardian *knows* that the kid is suffering from sleep apnea why isn't the condition being treated? Isn't sleep apnea potentially life threatening?

It takes a while to diagnose and treat issues. We (DH, pediatrician, and me) strongly suspect that sleep apnea is what’s causing my DD to feel tired all the time, her school performance to suffer, some balance issues, worsening anxiety, and a few other less worrisome symptoms. We have great insurance. It’s still going to take about 4 months from me noticing the symptoms worsening and needing intervention to getting a CPAP, assuming sleep apnea is the problem. That’s with educated, middle class, involved parents following up with doctors and staying on top of the situation. First we had to rule out a few obvious concerns, wait for a referral, wait longer for an appointment, then we’ll have to wait for them to diagnose her, wait for another appointment for a cpap machine, then wait for symptoms to improve. I don’t know the circumstances of the child in the background, but if they have a less than stellar insurance or financial situation, or if the parents have trouble getting off work for appointments, the process could take longer.

Why is it so hard to show compassion to the child and her family instead of blaming them for everything? Why is it so hard to blame the overzealous officer who didn’t follow procedures?

Well, in this case...sleep apnea was brought up as the reason for the girl's behavior issues. The parent/guardian was aware that the child had this potentially deadly health condition.

It was brought up when the grandma said they’re working on resolving it. So back to my original point, which is when you have good resources it can take months to resolve. If they had hurdles (and statistically African Americans, more so female African Americans, receive a different standard of care than other racial groups), it could take even longer. Grandma didn’t say “she has well treated sleep apnea which isn’t causing symptoms or behavior problems due to lack of sleep anymore.” Think it through before you double down on blaming the 6yo who may suffer from a medical condition and her family who is trying to get her treatment before you absolve the police officer who definitely broke the rules and arrested a little girl at school the same week he arrested another 6yo, has a history of excessive force, and now is reported as being a child abuser. Maybe, just maybe, that guy has a hot temper and doesn’t hold back around kids, and maybe you can consider the possibility that he overreacted and this is his fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so disgusted with the people on this thread who think it's ok to handcuff and arrest a child. Just disgusted. People like you are why us SN parents live in constant fear for our kids. You all are gross.

Liberal

It seems like one crazy person.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so disgusted with the people on this thread who think it's ok to handcuff and arrest a child. Just disgusted. People like you are why us SN parents live in constant fear for our kids. You all are gross.

It seems like one crazy person.