Warren now the most likely nominee according to some betting markets

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

Bernie, sure, he has been an avowed socialist for decades. Warren is a democratic socialist, akin to European states where there is private ownership, but more invested through the government in terms of services. It seems to work well there, certainly better than our systems here are working.

Yes, it works better in some respects, but the real way they fund that amazing safety net is because everyone pays more taxes, through payroll and income and a huge VAT tax on consumption (think of it as a 25% sales tax on all goods and services).

Warren is misleading the public when claiming that everyone but the uberrich will pay the same -- most European countries have STOPPED charging wealth tax because it produced much less than expected and was very expensive to monitor.

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we could use a good VAT here. we engage in too much useless consumption.

Agreed.

But who's the honest and brave politician willing to explain that to the mob?

Yang Gang - 10% VAT.

That would be the same gang that want to give every adult $1000 a month, but hasn’t explained that in order to be revenue neutral, the 1/2 of adults who pay taxes would have to pay $2000 more a month in taxes? Plus administrative costs?

Yeah. Pass.

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Warren also has the plus of being a political woman on her own merits, not that of a related powerful man (or men) like HRC (and Pelosi).

+1. Mad respect for someone who started out in a community college and worked their way up. Rather than having Daddy buy their way into Yale.

Warren didn't make it on her own merits. She lied about being Native American to get ahead. She won't win a national election because of that.

1. She did. 2. She didn’t. 3. Trump was handed everything he ever got and the rubes voted for him.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

It's time to become a Republican

Democrats want to reward people for being irresponsible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are 90% male and waaaayyyyy too interested in what I do with my vagina and uterus. And what gay people do in bed. But not what pedophiles are up to. So hard pass.

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Warren also has the plus of being a political woman on her own merits, not that of a related powerful man (or men) like HRC (and Pelosi).

+1. Mad respect for someone who started out in a community college and worked their way up. Rather than having Daddy buy their way into Yale.

Warren didn't make it on her own merits. She lied about being Native American to get ahead. She won't win a national election because of that.

1. She did. 2. She didn’t. 3. Trump was handed everything he ever got and the rubes voted for him.

+1. Start Trump as a lower middle class boy at a community college. Where do you think he ends up. My guess— selling used cars.

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Warren also has the plus of being a political woman on her own merits, not that of a related powerful man (or men) like HRC (and Pelosi).

+1. Mad respect for someone who started out in a community college and worked their way up. Rather than having Daddy buy their way into Yale.

Warren didn't make it on her own merits. She lied about being Native American to get ahead. She won't win a national election because of that.

By your standards virtually no one made it by their own merits. I was merely praising her for not getting there by dint of who the men in her life are, something that characterizes HRC and Pelosi.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

It's time to become a Republican

Democrats want to reward people for being irresponsible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are 90% male and waaaayyyyy too interested in what I do with my vagina and uterus. And what gay people do in bed. But not what pedophiles are up to. So hard pass.

If Republicans were 90% male, they’d never win.

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

Bernie, sure, he has been an avowed socialist for decades. Warren is a democratic socialist, akin to European states where there is private ownership, but more invested through the government in terms of services. It seems to work well there, certainly better than our systems here are working.

Yes, it works better in some respects, but the real way they fund that amazing safety net is because everyone pays more taxes, through payroll and income and a huge VAT tax on consumption (think of it as a 25% sales tax on all goods and services).

Warren is misleading the public when claiming that everyone but the uberrich will pay the same -- most European countries have STOPPED charging wealth tax because it produced much less than expected and was very expensive to monitor.

f

we could use a good VAT here. we engage in too much useless consumption.

Agreed.

But who's the honest and brave politician willing to explain that to the mob?

Yang Gang - 10% VAT.

That would be the same gang that want to give every adult $1000 a month, but hasn’t explained that in order to be revenue neutral, the 1/2 of adults who pay taxes would have to pay $2000 more a month in taxes? Plus administrative costs?

Yeah. Pass.

Bad math.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

It's time to become a Republican

Democrats want to reward people for being irresponsible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are 90% male and waaaayyyyy too interested in what I do with my vagina and uterus. And what gay people do in bed. But not what pedophiles are up to. So hard pass.

You don't know Republicans too well. Woman here. I could care less what you do with your vagina and uterus. And, many of us (including me) have gay people in our families.

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Don't care for her wealth tax. And, I believe it to be unconstitutional.
Don't care for her give-aways. Free tuition and the like.

Way too left for my liking.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

It's time to become a Republican

Democrats want to reward people for being irresponsible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are 90% male and waaaayyyyy too interested in what I do with my vagina and uterus. And what gay people do in bed. But not what pedophiles are up to. So hard pass.

You don't know Republicans too well. Woman here. I could care less what you do with your vagina and uterus. And, many of us (including me) have gay people in our families.

+1.

People from both parties should hang out more instead of screaming at each other

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

I think you are mistaking her for the GOP who literally cut taxes to benefit corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

+1

Warren might be far left on some issues, but I 100% support her because she has a vision for taking this country back from the rich and powerful and making it work for regular people.

She is exactly the type of candidate we need to lead our country. If some proposals turn into center-left legislation after going through Congress, that is fine with me.

I will reinforce my response.

third party if she's the candidate

If she wins, you'll see . . .

If we can't smack down Epstein and his "clients," Warren isn't going after Big Biz.

You all are so naive.

so your response is to give up and continue to let the rich and powerful run the world?

ok, don't vote for warren then

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Warren also has the plus of being a political woman on her own merits, not that of a related powerful man (or men) like HRC (and Pelosi).

+1. Mad respect for someone who started out in a community college and worked their way up. Rather than having Daddy buy their way into Yale.

Warren didn't make it on her own merits. She lied about being Native American to get ahead. She won't win a national election because of that.

They found that she got no benefit from the native american thing. it is an oklahoma thing to have a family "myth" that you are part native american

btw it wasn't a community college, it was a commuter college - U of Houston. She went there after she gave up her scholarship at GWU to move to Texas with her husband

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

I think you are mistaking her for the GOP who literally cut taxes to benefit corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

+1

Warren might be far left on some issues, but I 100% support her because she has a vision for taking this country back from the rich and powerful and making it work for regular people.

She is exactly the type of candidate we need to lead our country. If some proposals turn into center-left legislation after going through Congress, that is fine with me.

I will reinforce my response.

third party if she's the candidate

If she wins, you'll see . . .

If we can't smack down Epstein and his "clients," Warren isn't going after Big Biz.

You all are so naive.

so your response is to give up and continue to let the rich and powerful run the world?

ok, don't vote for warren then

here's a thought run your own world

this is America full of opportunity

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

It's time to become a Republican

Democrats want to reward people for being irresponsible.

Unfortunately, Republicans are 90% male and waaaayyyyy too interested in what I do with my vagina and uterus. And what gay people do in bed. But not what pedophiles are up to. So hard pass.

If Republicans were 90% male, they’d never win.

Republicans in the Senate 90% male. In the House? Probably close. Women in Trumps Cabinet? DeVos. Maybe one more? It’s hard to keep track.

You’re right, the people making decisions for Republicans are definitely half female. /s

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Fine.

I have a lot of respect for her, she’s by far the most knowledgeable on the issues. She’s a bit old, but doesn’t show signs of senility like Biden or Sanders.