Exactly what are the reasons MCPS are going down the toilet and what areas will be hit hardest?

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It sounds a lot like a poster who was completely schooled on the MD school forum when another poster started citing data that contradicted their claims.

Who schooled whom? Were people on the school forum fighting over data?

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/95386/2017.12.28_montgomery_county_finalized_6.pdf
Racial Inequities in Montgomery County
2011–15

doubtful the numbers have changed that much

Montgomery County, Maryland, faces a challenge in overcoming the racial and ethnic
inequities that are highlighted in the geographic divide between Council District 1,
home to Bethesda and Chevy Chase, and District 5, where Silver Spring and Takoma
Park are located. Though the residents of the District 1 exceed county averages
regardless of racial or ethnic group, residents of District 5, especially residents of color,
often are below county averages and were less likely to have graduated high school,
have enrolled in college, have a well-paying job, or own a home.

Figure 4 is interesting.

Quoting a 15-year-old report that was published by a hate group is hardly evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pre- 2007 Montgomery County had two selling points - it was a blue state and MCPS had a great reputation. Now, VA is also a blue state and MCPS has a bad reputation or at least not a good one. The taxes with the federal deduction for local/state taxes were pretty much hidden until the recent tax code changes. Pre-2007 most people assumed that buying in Montgomery County was a good investment but that clearly was wrong. Montgomery County real estate has been flat while VA and DC have boomed surpassing 2007 levels while Montgomery County is just barely reaching those levels in some areas again.

Can you provide any citations for these claims? I remember someone making similar assertions a few months back about escalating poverty in my area, but when the poster was confronted with actual facts it was shown the FARMS rate had been in steady decline over the past decade.

Previous PP is an alarmist who is trying to paint a bad picture of Montgomery County. Oh the schools! The horror! All these brown kids are getting into the MS magnets but what about my precious sweet Larla who has been taking prep classes since Kindergarten!

It sounds a lot like a poster who was completely schooled on the MD school forum when another poster started citing data that contradicted their claims.

jk

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Pre- 2007 Montgomery County had two selling points - it was a blue state and MCPS had a great reputation. Now, VA is also a blue state and MCPS has a bad reputation or at least not a good one. The taxes with the federal deduction for local/state taxes were pretty much hidden until the recent tax code changes. Pre-2007 most people assumed that buying in Montgomery County was a good investment but that clearly was wrong. Montgomery County real estate has been flat while VA and DC have boomed surpassing 2007 levels while Montgomery County is just barely reaching those levels in some areas again.

Can you provide any citations for these claims? I remember someone making similar assertions a few months back about escalating poverty in my area, but when the poster was confronted with actual facts it was shown the FARMS rate had been in steady decline over the past decade.

Previous PP is an alarmist who is trying to paint a bad picture of Montgomery County. Oh the schools! The horror! All these brown kids are getting into the MS magnets but what about my precious sweet Larla who has been taking prep classes since Kindergarten!

It sounds a lot like a poster who was completely schooled on the MD school forum when another poster started citing data that contradicted their claims.

I remember that it was a riot. The troll claimed that SS schools were getting poorer and poorer. Then someone provided links to some MCPS data that showed the FARMS for a half-dozen SS schools had actually declined by 10%-15% over the past decade or two. It's always fun to see these trolls get shut down.

[Anonymous]

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I know, right? Previous PP is delusional. I live in a new development in upcounty and every family moving in has children or are planning to have one. They came here for the schools and the community; and they spent at a minimum $650K for their house. But previous PP doesn't want to hear that because it goes against his/her agenda.

Why would anyone pay $650K for a home in Mo Co for their schools?

We've been out of the county for a year now, after spending all of lives in Mo Co (MCPS grad), and it was the best decision ever. We sold our home in Mo Co for $100K more and had a home built here for the same original price of our Mo Co home. Kids walk to their schools, which are on the same compound, and the academics are much more rigorous.

Mo Co (and MCPS) look shiny from afar, but they're like the woman who "Botoxes" to death. We really know what's hiding under that smooth skin - and it ain't pretty.

Because it's a good school.. you sound jealous. What's up with you? Sorry it didn't work out for you but our neighbors and I are really happy with the schools here. Your experience doesn't equate to other people's experience.

[Anonymous]

Wonder if there is any truth to the person saying Asian people are ready to leave

If your whole goal was to have your kid go to school in the most Eastern part of the county (blair magnet) why do you live in Rockville?

If anything they are probably better off with the new advanced cohorts in their home schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I know, right? Previous PP is delusional. I live in a new development in upcounty and every family moving in has children or are planning to have one. They came here for the schools and the community; and they spent at a minimum $650K for their house. But previous PP doesn't want to hear that because it goes against his/her agenda.

Why would anyone pay $650K for a home in Mo Co for their schools?

We've been out of the county for a year now, after spending all of lives in Mo Co (MCPS grad), and it was the best decision ever. We sold our home in Mo Co for $100K more and had a home built here for the same original price of our Mo Co home. Kids walk to their schools, which are on the same compound, and the academics are much more rigorous.

Mo Co (and MCPS) look shiny from afar, but they're like the woman who "Botoxes" to death. We really know what's hiding under that smooth skin - and it ain't pretty.

Because it's a good school.. you sound jealous. What's up with you? Sorry it didn't work out for you but our neighbors and I are really happy with the schools here. Your experience doesn't equate to other people's experience.

Not np, but okay, you go with that. Your opinion does not change other's experience with the school system, past and present. Perhaps your standards are just amazingly low which would make you fit in with MCPS and their big picture quite well. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I know, right? Previous PP is delusional. I live in a new development in upcounty and every family moving in has children or are planning to have one. They came here for the schools and the community; and they spent at a minimum $650K for their house. But previous PP doesn't want to hear that because it goes against his/her agenda.

Why would anyone pay $650K for a home in Mo Co for their schools?

We've been out of the county for a year now, after spending all of lives in Mo Co (MCPS grad), and it was the best decision ever. We sold our home in Mo Co for $100K more and had a home built here for the same original price of our Mo Co home. Kids walk to their schools, which are on the same compound, and the academics are much more rigorous.

Mo Co (and MCPS) look shiny from afar, but they're like the woman who "Botoxes" to death. We really know what's hiding under that smooth skin - and it ain't pretty.

Because it's a good school.. you sound jealous. What's up with you? Sorry it didn't work out for you but our neighbors and I are really happy with the schools here. Your experience doesn't equate to other people's experience.

Not np, but okay, you go with that. Your opinion does not change other's experience with the school system, past and present. Perhaps your standards are just amazingly low which would make you fit in with MCPS and their big picture quite well. Good luck with that.

And good luck in life. If you think everyone else should feel the same as you, then that's an issue. Sorry that you can't handle it when someone says they actually like something that you don't. I like our school. Sorry that doesn't jive with PPs experience or yours for that matter. And way you go for stooping low by making assumptions that my standards are low. Classy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I know, right? Previous PP is delusional. I live in a new development in upcounty and every family moving in has children or are planning to have one. They came here for the schools and the community; and they spent at a minimum $650K for their house. But previous PP doesn't want to hear that because it goes against his/her agenda.

Why would anyone pay $650K for a home in Mo Co for their schools?

We've been out of the county for a year now, after spending all of lives in Mo Co (MCPS grad), and it was the best decision ever. We sold our home in Mo Co for $100K more and had a home built here for the same original price of our Mo Co home. Kids walk to their schools, which are on the same compound, and the academics are much more rigorous.

Mo Co (and MCPS) look shiny from afar, but they're like the woman who "Botoxes" to death. We really know what's hiding under that smooth skin - and it ain't pretty.

There are a lot of students in MCPS that are thriving. It is still one of the best school districts in the region and it ranks very high in the country.
If your kids could not succeed, they are probably dumb. You made the right choice by taking them somewhere else. I don’t think MCPS will miss them.

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Anonymous wrote:My sense is that a typical QO buyer pursues a very different American dream that a Wootton parent, hence the house prices are not really connected. I would expect more impact on Northern Churchill disrroct home values and the morr desirable parts of RM.

I wrote almost a year ago that the social justice warriors can grab for our schools, but they will never get our kids. Sadly, yet unsurprisingly, it appears to be the case.

Just hoping to hold on to the good teachers for as longas we remain here. The exodus at RM has already started; other schools are pending.

Except it turns out that most of the teachers are transferring elsewhere in RM, not leaving the county altogether. I recall a similar lament from an acquaintance when two teachers left a W feeder for schools in SS. It’s like she thought they were not in the same school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sense is that a typical QO buyer pursues a very different American dream that a Wootton parent, hence the house prices are not really connected. I would expect more impact on Northern Churchill disrroct home values and the morr desirable parts of RM.

I wrote almost a year ago that the social justice warriors can grab for our schools, but they will never get our kids. Sadly, yet unsurprisingly, it appears to be the case.

Just hoping to hold on to the good teachers for as longas we remain here. The exodus at RM has already started; other schools are pending.

Except it turns out that most of the teachers are transferring elsewhere in RM, not leaving the county altogether. I recall a similar lament from an acquaintance when two teachers left a W feeder for schools in SS. It’s like she thought they were not in the same school system.

If you place no value on the existence of the advanced programs, with curriculum and approach honed for decades by a dedicated staff, then it is only sensible for you not to experience the sense of loss as these programs are gradually decimated.

In my world, these programs shoud have been praised and expanded, not curved, obwtructed, and disrespected as they are today, alongside with tue politization and near elimination of tracking in earlier grades.

[Anonymous]

Curbed, not curved - although, some typos including this one enhance the original meaning.

[Anonymous]

Givem all easy grades because your job depends on it from MCPS perspective. They'll cut you like a fish. Then you can recommend the debt for college. Sorry to burst your education fart bubble- education is a schiesty corrupt business that is less and less valuable and now it's bringing back indentured servitude and down the economy. The best strategy is to be born rich and go to private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been really surprised at how many Indian American families are leaving the Wootton area now. The magnet discrimination deeply insulted this community. Our Chinese neighbors are all talking about moving to but are more on the fence. Academic discrimination against Asian Americans and Chinese in particular is so prevalent that they wonder whether it will just happen again wherever they move. There is a very rich Chinese community in Rockville with churches. activities and other things that make it sadder for them have to leave. In this particular area, this MCPS decision are having a sad impact on people who had planned to stay until their youngest graduated high school. Unlike Silver Spring where there are a ton of lessor known, more affordable private schools or Bethesda/Potomac where there are very expensive, elite private schools, the Wootton area is almost 100% public schools. MCPS short comings hit this area hard. There's a ripple effect that follows. When houses get cheaper in Wootton, then house prices go down in QO.

This is a weird assertion, and I'll be interested to see if there is any data to back it up.

What PP calls "magnet discrimination" is both not discrimination AND literally just started two years ago. I'd be surprised if a large number of Indian American families - or any other families - were moving en masse because a middle school magnet that has always been very hard to get into became slightly harder for those living in affluent areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder if there is any truth to the person saying Asian people are ready to leave

If your whole goal was to have your kid go to school in the most Eastern part of the county (blair magnet) why do you live in Rockville?

If anything they are probably better off with the new advanced cohorts in their home schools

As an Asian parent, with some Asian friends, no, we are not ready to leave.

We live in Rockville because we like it here. There is no guarantee that my kids would go to Blair. My older DC is now in RMIB.

Nope, the peer cohort does not makeup for a lackluster curriculum in the home school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sense is that a typical QO buyer pursues a very different American dream that a Wootton parent, hence the house prices are not really connected. I would expect more impact on Northern Churchill disrroct home values and the morr desirable parts of RM.

I wrote almost a year ago that the social justice warriors can grab for our schools, but they will never get our kids. Sadly, yet unsurprisingly, it appears to be the case.

Just hoping to hold on to the good teachers for as longas we remain here. The exodus at RM has already started; other schools are pending.

What exodus at RM? I don't see any exodus, and I live in the cluster. If anything, I see more families with school aged kids moving into my neighborhood. Our ES bus stop has exploded.