Guest player etiquette

[Anonymous]

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If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.

So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?

The point went way over your head. It’s a one off game. Your players do get a benefit of having the challenge of playing against higher caliber individuals, whether the result upsets you or not. Our club is not one of the big ones by any stretch of the imagination, and pretty much every single game opponents bring guest players, usually from their “higher ranked/league teams” and guess what? Adversity builds better players, regardless of level. You gotta adjust, maybe you lose but maybe it makes your own players step up their game. As for the team using them and why they play so much, having a player that can provide a solid base (ie. CDM) can allow for the others to play with more freedom and have some success. Ultimately you are getting bent out of shape over youth soccer. Your kid will live and there will be another play, another game, another season. If this is such a huge deal to you then take a step back, take it as a compliment or something. They needed guests to win a game for them; don’t be petty and roll with the punches. That’s life and that’s futbol.

Not over my head at all. Just a differing point of view. Yes, sports are about winning and losing and adversity. But, they are also about fair play and teaching in a positive manner, despite your cited life lesson about life not being fair and living with self-centered coaches. I believe in some guest playing allowed, but not stacking a team and wholesale displacement of the normal players from their normal playing time. Just my philosophy.

Two players at U10 is stacking? LOL.

[Anonymous]

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If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.

So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?

You seem to think sports are designed for fairness

No, but divisions and team levels are designed exactly for that, else they wouldn’t exist. Not sure what you think fair means, but it does not mean equal. It means relatively at the same level of competition within a range. Yes, it is good to challenge kids. Not sure stacking the opponent is the best way to accomplish that goal, but agree to disagree.

The point is, at these young ages they really don’t exist. There is not enough history to do so. Scores are not even recorded in league play at these ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In softball there are now very specific rules about guesting such that you can't play at a lower age or a lower classification than rostered - due to these types of things happening.

What!?!? You can’t play at a lower age? What a unique rule.

[Anonymous]

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If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.

So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?

The point went way over your head. It’s a one off game. Your players do get a benefit of having the challenge of playing against higher caliber individuals, whether the result upsets you or not. Our club is not one of the big ones by any stretch of the imagination, and pretty much every single game opponents bring guest players, usually from their “higher ranked/league teams” and guess what? Adversity builds better players, regardless of level. You gotta adjust, maybe you lose but maybe it makes your own players step up their game. As for the team using them and why they play so much, having a player that can provide a solid base (ie. CDM) can allow for the others to play with more freedom and have some success. Ultimately you are getting bent out of shape over youth soccer. Your kid will live and there will be another play, another game, another season. If this is such a huge deal to you then take a step back, take it as a compliment or something. They needed guests to win a game for them; don’t be petty and roll with the punches. That’s life and that’s futbol.

Not over my head at all. Just a differing point of view. Yes, sports are about winning and losing and adversity. But, they are also about fair play and teaching in a positive manner, despite your cited life lesson about life not being fair and living with self-centered coaches. I believe in some guest playing allowed, but not stacking a team and wholesale displacement of the normal players from their normal playing time. Just my philosophy.

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2 players is not wholesale displacing of a team. You’re embellishing.

[Anonymous]

Eh, we have had some games where two clearly superior opponents tipped everything. I think this can happen more at the younger age groups (thus 7 aside as OP mentions). But honestly, OP, it was a pretty hot day on Sunday, so I could see how the other team could feel a deficient roster meant a lack of subs. That being said, if the score was as unbalanced as you say, they should have rotated things around more. It sounds like they were not good sports, but did not violate any rules.

[Anonymous]

At U10 - U12 there really aren’t divisions. Most leagues don’t even post scores until U12.

Not sure where you play, but ODSL has all of this and posts scores. I've seen some guest players in ODSL that were from a club's NCSL teams, but only when things were really tight with player numbers. We know which jerseys are from which teams by now, when they differentiate, having had 4 kids who played all over the map at different points.

OP, unless this resulted in your team getting relegated to a lower ODSL bracket, I'd move on. Whether it was right is a different issue than whether it is worth getting involved in a dispute over it.

[Anonymous]

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At U10 - U12 there really aren’t divisions. Most leagues don’t even post scores until U12.

Not sure where you play, but ODSL has all of this and posts scores. I've seen some guest players in ODSL that were from a club's NCSL teams, but only when things were really tight with player numbers. We know which jerseys are from which teams by now, when they differentiate, having had 4 kids who played all over the map at different points.

OP, unless this resulted in your team getting relegated to a lower ODSL bracket, I'd move on. Whether it was right is a different issue than whether it is worth getting involved in a dispute over it.

Well, now you told us where your kid plays and also why it just doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Not sure where you play, but ODSL has all of this and posts scores. I've seen some guest players in ODSL that were from a club's NCSL teams, but only when things were really tight with player numbers. We know which jerseys are from which teams by now, when they differentiate, having had 4 kids who played all over the map at different points.

OP, unless this resulted in your team getting relegated to a lower ODSL bracket, I'd move on. Whether it was right is a different issue than whether it is worth getting involved in a dispute over it.


Well, now you told us where your kid plays and also why it just doesn't matter.

I should even have to tell you how lame your youth-soccer put-downs are. This is what you get worked up about? Ok then.

[Anonymous]

OP, unless this resulted in your team getting relegated to a lower ODSL bracket, I'd move on. Whether it was right is a different issue than whether it is worth getting involved in a dispute over it.


Well, now you told us where your kid plays and also why it just doesn't matter

1. I am guessing it matter to OP, because the form he or she quoted is an ODSL form.
2. If your point is that it doesn't matter because my kid is a bad player, you are entitled to your opinion and I don't care what you think. In fact, it troubles me that you would be thinking about where someone else's 10 year old son who you have never met is playing.

[Anonymous]

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OP, unless this resulted in your team getting relegated to a lower ODSL bracket, I'd move on. Whether it was right is a different issue than whether it is worth getting involved in a dispute over it.


Well, now you told us where your kid plays and also why it just doesn't matter

1. I am guessing it matter to OP, because the form he or she quoted is an ODSL form.
2. If your point is that it doesn't matter because my kid is a bad player, you are entitled to your opinion and I don't care what you think. In fact, it troubles me that you would be thinking about where someone else's 10 year old son who you have never met is playing.

It doesn't matter because the age and yes, the league. But not because the league is bad but because the scores are very often very lopsided. The level of play at ODSL can be very inconsistent at these ages for a variety of reasons, not unlike NCSL.

Yes, the teams in ODSL are not the strongest, this is not news. But, teams in ODSL can often times show the most growth and development in a season which fees into the lopsided scores. There is a ton of lopsided score variance in ODSL to not get overly excited about, hence, "it doesn't matter".

[Anonymous]

But, teams in ODSL can often times show the most growth and development in a season which fees into the lopsided scores. There is a ton of lopsided score variance in ODSL to not get overly excited about, hence, "it doesn't matter".

I guess it would depend. My child's team lost horribly to the U10 PWSI Pride, even though we did well enough in the season overall. But if you look at the PWSI Pride's stats, they were a really good team, and beat a lot of teams really badly. If something similar happened with OP's child's team and the opposing team, you are right, it is silly to worry about. But you can always look back at how the other team did in and through the season, if you are interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a question about etiquette for guest players. By way of background, we are the bottom team in our club, and played another team at the bottom of their club. They said they were bringing two guest players, because they didn't have enough (7 a side). However, in fact, they had 8 players from their regular team, and brought two guest players from the top team in their club, both of whom they played for the entire game. This seems like it can't be right to me, and at the very least, is terrible sportsmanship.

What does DCUM say?

If the other team was the bottom team in their club exactly what team were they expected to pull a guest player from?

[Anonymous]

OK OP, I think I've figured out why you're upset about this.

We are talking about the last game of the season for the U10B in ODSL, right? BRYC Dragons vs Alexandria Silver. At the time, both teams hadn't won a game all season.
Both were 0-7, with a GD of -41 and -36 respectively.

BRYC Dragons won the game 11-0.

Am I right that the 2 guest players, who played the entire game, came from one of their BRYC Elite teams, not their other U10 ODSL team (which isn't all that much better, and also wasn't playing that day)?

So you're probably thinking your team could have called in a couple of Alex 09 Red players (from the team that made it to the finals of The Virginian), and it would have been a different story, but what would've been the point of that?

Knowing this was a lower Alex U10 team also paints a pretty good picture of how the game probably went. Your team kept trying to play it out of the back. The kids don't have the leg strength yet to get it over the 1st line of pressure, and Coach Dick from BRYC kept the high press on the whole game - channeling his inner Jill Ellis.

With all of that context, I don't blame you for being upset about it.

The BRYC coach really is a Dick: http://www.odsl.org/_element_display/#%2F91918%2Fteams%2F94722675%2F88637339-94722768%2FTEAM.html%3Fdummy%3D1560871715488

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK OP, I think I've figured out why you're upset about this.

We are talking about the last game of the season for the U10B in ODSL, right? BRYC Dragons vs Alexandria Silver. At the time, both teams hadn't won a game all season.
Both were 0-7, with a GD of -41 and -36 respectively.

BRYC Dragons won the game 11-0.

Am I right that the 2 guest players, who played the entire game, came from one of their BRYC Elite teams, not their other U10 ODSL team (which isn't all that much better, and also wasn't playing that day)?

So you're probably thinking your team could have called in a couple of Alex 09 Red players (from the team that made it to the finals of The Virginian), and it would have been a different story, but what would've been the point of that?

Knowing this was a lower Alex U10 team also paints a pretty good picture of how the game probably went. Your team kept trying to play it out of the back. The kids don't have the leg strength yet to get it over the 1st line of pressure, and Coach Dick from BRYC kept the high press on the whole game - channeling his inner Jill Ellis.

With all of that context, I don't blame you for being upset about it.

The BRYC coach really is a Dick: http://www.odsl.org/_element_display/#%2F91918%2Fteams%2F94722675%2F88637339-94722768%2FTEAM.html%3Fdummy%3D1560871715488

So a bad team lost all season to other bad teams and they lost another game to a bad team with two good players is a reason to be upset?

Sorry the team is bad right now. Focus on that and stop with making excuses. A team can get better but you'll never get better without taking accountability.

[Anonymous]

OK OP, I think I've figured out why you're upset about this.

We are talking about the last game of the season for the U10B in ODSL, right? BRYC Dragons vs Alexandria Silver. At the time, both teams hadn't won a game all season.
Both were 0-7, with a GD of -41 and -36 respectively.

BRYC Dragons won the game 11-0.

Am I right that the 2 guest players, who played the entire game, came from one of their BRYC Elite teams, not their other U10 ODSL team (which isn't all that much better, and also wasn't playing that day)?

I am not OP, and don't know if his kid was on Alexandria Silver or played BRYC Dragons. However, my son was on the Alexandria Silver U10, and I recognized one of the kids from their BRYC Elite U10 teams, but would rather not say how. I didn't know where the other guest player was from of anything about him except that he was big, tall, and athletic which means nothing.

I'm not considering registering any complaint, and I am sympathetic to the need to have substitutes when it is warm out. I know nothing about the schedules of lower BRYC teams, and maybe those kids didn't want to come. I did think it was massively tacky not to pull the guest players once the score became so awfully lopsided. I definitely did not see any Alexandria players crying, as OP mentioned, however.