Wash Post: Michael Eric Dyson reports 6 yo grandson called a racial slur at Mann

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the "n" word, what about threatening to go get Dad's gun and shoot someone?

I don't care if the kid is 6, that's outrageous.


I know a few kids that age who have behavioral issues, and one way they act out is by verbally going to extremes, even though there is no way they would actually have any idea how to carry it out, or even if the parent actually had a gun. Everything needs context, and having school officials who understand the kids involved best is the best way to deal with these situations.
Yeah, my context is that in my neighborhood, people have guns and some of them aren't paying a whole lot of attention to their six-year-old kids. Really outrageous that you would pooh-pooh the idea that a six-year-old could carry out a threat like that.


Whether or not the kid would follow through, that's terribly menacing and overly specific language for a 6 year. Something is not right with that kid (and likely that kid's house).


Yeah. THIS! Or, you know, he's a six year old boy. My 5 year old still wants to marry his sister. Should I be worried that I'm teaching him incest? (At least he know longer wants to marry our dog, so I can cross bestiality off my list of parental failings.)

For chrissake, it's a 6 year old. No one is excusing anything, but let's not go overboard and assume the home life is a cesspool of ill repute and intent. (One of Dyson's followers said all kids need to be removed from that household since they're breeding killers. Look it up.)
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Does his father have a gun?
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Anonymous wrote:Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?
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Anonymous wrote:Does his father have a gun?


While I can't say for sure, I'm told no from a friend of the family.
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Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?


For all that we know his father is a law enforcement officer. The kid's statement was terrible, but I don't think we need to jump to searching the home or involving social services without additional information.
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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a huge overreaction over an argument among six year olds. This should have been handled by the school and the childrens' parents.


This is not a huge overreaction. Imagine if this was your 6 year old? I would be livid. Imagine a slur that is so hurtful that it remains with you for life. This is not a small deal. I've been called racial slurs and believe me, I remember every instance. Parents need to do a better job of talking about race with their children and that this is not OK. I talk to my son often and tell him that racial slurs, hurtful language against physically disabled and others are things that I will not tolerate. Don't sweep this under the rug. It needs to be discussed early and often. We are at an EOTR Title I school, and they do an excellent job of promoting cultural awareness and kindness. I have no experience with schools in the upper NW, but do they do the same? And I'm not talking about just during Black History Month but throughout the year.


Of course the schools WOTP do that too!


No, they don’t. We are in a WOTP school and I was told by the principal that she didn’t want to encourage discussions of race and tolerance at our school because the parents are her constituents and a number of them might object.


This is not the case at Mann. In fact, this very topic was discussed during the March PTA meeting. The school talked about what happened elsewhere, the training and steps they've already taken in preparation for something similar happening at Mann, and what Mann would do when/if such an incident occurs. It was known by all that Mann would communicate to the entire school population immediately upon an incident, which the principal did within the day.


This just makes me so f'ing sad. You think that because race was raised as an issue at a March PTA meeting, you've checked off the box for having a conversation about race? No wonder these issues keep cropping up at WOTR schools. Our EOTR school incorporates discussions of race in most of the curriculum throughout the year and also in special events and project showcases. It's a natural part of the daily existence.


Tell me more, all knowning sage, about what happens and doesn't happen at other schools. You're projecting and assuming all over the place here. Maybe, just maybe, try listening without presuming to know the content (let alone unspoken subtext) about what is being discussed.

Take your crocodile "f'ing sadness" elsewhere.


Please be more civil to her. I’m the PP who mentioned that these issues are verboten at our WOTP school. She is absolutely right. It does sound like the administration at Mann were prepared and responded very well when this incident happened. But I don’t think anything much is being done to help prevent these moments from happening in the first place by educating children at school about these issues.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?


For all that we know his father is a law enforcement officer. The kid's statement was terrible, but I don't think we need to jump to searching the home or involving social services without additional information.


And if that's the case then so be it, social services should still be involved. I have a friend who's kid in another DC school (black) who got walked out of school in handcuffs by police for making a similar threat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?


For all that we know his father is a law enforcement officer. The kid's statement was terrible, but I don't think we need to jump to searching the home or involving social services without additional information.


And if that's the case then so be it, social services should still be involved. I have a friend who's kid in another DC school (black) who got walked out of school in handcuffs by police for making a similar threat.


Exactly!!!
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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a huge overreaction over an argument among six year olds. This should have been handled by the school and the childrens' parents.
In this day and age, when a kid says they're going to shoot another kid, we had all better take that very seriously.


+1. And there have been incidents of kids as young as 6 bringing guns to school.
Just imagine if Dyson's grandson had been the one to threaten to shoot another kid. How many of the pps would still be thinking that this is silly? White six-year-olds usually get breaks that black six-year-olds don't.

Yeah, I'm not crazy about Dyson. If he were my dad, I might be annoyed at him getting involved. But the reality is that maybe the kid's parents thought they needed all the star power they could get. I could see getting him involved just to be on the safe side.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?


For all that we know his father is a law enforcement officer. The kid's statement was terrible, but I don't think we need to jump to searching the home or involving social services without additional information.


And if that's the case then so be it, social services should still be involved. I have a friend who's kid in another DC school (black) who got walked out of school in handcuffs by police for making a similar threat.


Was this also a 6 year old?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Does his father have a gun?


This. It's pretty hard to get a license in DC. They ought to do a welfare check and search the home. Is social services involved?


For all that we know his father is a law enforcement officer. The kid's statement was terrible, but I don't think we need to jump to searching the home or involving social services without additional information.

Not interested in searching anybody's home, but what happened to saying "my father, my uncle is the police and you'll be in trouble". It's the "gun" part that is scary. I want to hear that the boy watches/plays too many video games and that there is no gun in the family.
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Anonymous wrote:Does no one have a sense of humor anymore? A six year old saying he’s going to get a gun because some other kids cut ahead in the pizza line? Come on - that kid has a pretty strong sense of justice! And really likes his pizza!


And what are they doing about the repeated line cutting? Kids try to manage conflict/ disregard for the rules with the tools they have at hand. In this case it was threatening words because it sounds like the adults weren't enforcing the rules.

-Cub scout mom who has heard 1st grade boys threaten each other with muskets, blunderbusses and canons depending on what they were studying in social studies at the time. None of them had home issues or turned out to be violent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the "n" word, what about threatening to go get Dad's gun and shoot someone?

I don't care if the kid is 6, that's outrageous.


I know a few kids that age who have behavioral issues, and one way they act out is by verbally going to extremes, even though there is no way they would actually have any idea how to carry it out, or even if the parent actually had a gun. Everything needs context, and having school officials who understand the kids involved best is the best way to deal with these situations.
Yeah, my context is that in my neighborhood, people have guns and some of them aren't paying a whole lot of attention to their six-year-old kids. Really outrageous that you would pooh-pooh the idea that a six-year-old could carry out a threat like that.


Whether or not the kid would follow through, that's terribly menacing and overly specific language for a 6 year. Something is not right with that kid (and likely that kid's house).


Yeah. THIS! Or, you know, he's a six year old boy. My 5 year old still wants to marry his sister. Should I be worried that I'm teaching him incest? (At least he know longer wants to marry our dog, so I can cross bestiality off my list of parental failings.)

For chrissake, it's a 6 year old. No one is excusing anything, but let's not go overboard and assume the home life is a cesspool of ill repute and intent. (One of Dyson's followers said all kids need to be removed from that household since they're breeding killers. Look it up.)


+1. The kid is 6. The school should look into the incident to determine whether there's a viable threat because he said he would bring a gun to school, but it's not at all the same as 14 year old saying this. Dyson's grandson cut in line to get pizza. That's a serious offense according to most 6 year olds. This poor kid who's being unjustly vilified was likely outraged and said the most vengeful thing he could think of. It's a developmentally appropriate response, even if it goes against regulations to threaten to bring guns to school. This is way overblown.

But when my oldest was 6 she adamantly argued that her dad would be the best president in the world, so what do I know?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think this is a huge overreaction over an argument among six year olds. This should have been handled by the school and the childrens' parents.
In this day and age, when a kid says they're going to shoot another kid, we had all better take that very seriously.


+1. And there have been incidents of kids as young as 6 bringing guns to school.
Just imagine if Dyson's grandson had been the one to threaten to shoot another kid. How many of the pps would still be thinking that this is silly? White six-year-olds usually get breaks that black six-year-olds don't.

Yeah, I'm not crazy about Dyson. If he were my dad, I might be annoyed at him getting involved. But the reality is that maybe the kid's parents thought they needed all the star power they could get. I could see getting him involved just to be on the safe side.


Also, American race relations is his academic area of interest. As a black mom, I might bring him along too if this was my dad and he lived nearby. From Wiki:

Dyson has taught at Chicago Theological Seminary, Brown University, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Columbia University, DePaul University, and the University of Pennsylvania.[3] Since 2007, he has been a Professor of Sociology at Georgetown University. His 1994 book Making Malcolm: The Myth and Meaning of Malcolm X became a New York Times notable book of the year.[10] In his 2006 book Come Hell or High Water: Hurricane Katrina and the Color of Disaster, Dyson analyzes the political and social events in the wake of the catastrophe against the backdrop of an overall "failure in race and class relations".[11][12][13] In 2010, Dyson edited Born to Use Mics: Reading Nas's Illmatic, with contributions based on the album’s tracks by, among others, Kevin Coval, Kyra D. Gaunt ("Professor G"), dream hampton, Marc Lamont Hill, Adam Mansbach, and Mark Anthony Neal.[14] Dyson's own essay in this anthology, "'One Love,' Two Brothers, Three Verses", argues that the current US penal system disfavors young black males more than any other segment of the population.[15][16] His last three books appeared repeatedly on the “New York Times” Bestseller list. Dyson hosted a radio show, which aired on Radio One, from January 2006 to February 2007. He is also a commentator on National Public Radio, MSNBC and CNN, and is a regular guest on Real Time with Bill Maher. Beginning July 2011 Michael Eric Dyson became a political analyst for MSNBC.[17] He recently drew media attention for his speech at the funeral of Aretha Franklin on August 31, 2018.[18]
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does no one have a sense of humor anymore? A six year old saying he’s going to get a gun because some other kids cut ahead in the pizza line? Come on - that kid has a pretty strong sense of justice! And really likes his pizza!


And what are they doing about the repeated line cutting? Kids try to manage conflict/ disregard for the rules with the tools they have at hand. In this case it was threatening words because it sounds like the adults weren't enforcing the rules.

-Cub scout mom who has heard 1st grade boys threaten each other with muskets, blunderbusses and canons depending on what they were studying in social studies at the time. None of them had home issues or turned out to be violent.


+1. Dyson's grandson violated the norms and the aggrieved party lashed out. Line cutters are the worst of the worst in the 6 year old set.
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