Studies on "integrated schools"

[Anonymous]

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1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools are far less integrated than they were in the 1960s and 1970s. There is little evidence this is going to change. Even integrated schools are segregating according to skill (see AAP), creating white/asian/jewish subgroups that are segregated from peers in the same school.

Well living near a big metro area and in a sanctuary county for illegal aliens will do that to the population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools are far less integrated than they were in the 1960s and 1970s. There is little evidence this is going to change. Even integrated schools are segregating according to skill (see AAP), creating white/asian/jewish subgroups that are segregated from peers in the same school.

Well living near a big metro area and in a sanctuary county for illegal aliens will do that to the population.

...by which you mean you’ve flown out to west side of the county to avoid people of color?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s rigorous study: the students that stay in school, work hard, stay out of trouble, and challenge themselves do better than the students who are absent a lot, don’t study hard, don’t stay out of trouble, and cut corners.

+100. true in any language and at any income level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

Poor isn’t a protected class, neither is fat or stupid. I unabashedly avoid these types

Well aware of your impending “I avoid assholes” comment but the thing is I have the resources to chose exactly where I want to live, you compromise. Who is actively avoiding who? Do you honestly think you can policy make me or my children hang around you or yours? If so you’re might just be multiples of the types I avoid

[Anonymous]

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2015/04/duke_university_poverty_study_when_rich_and_poor_live_side_by_side_poor.html

SES Integration is a farce it just hinds mediocrity or supplements it until it goes away. Even if it did help a couple of individuals I doesn't move the needle about systemic poverty for those left behind and the backfill.

Also every single study takes poor kids in failing schools and puts them in rich successful schools. MoCo schools are similarly resourced and the poor ones actually have more. You would literally taking kids out of tough situations and putting them in tougher spots with less and expecting them to keep up with the best resourced students in the county. Sure a couple of poor kids would rise to the occasion but poor kids rise to the occasion at their home schools too.

The people clamoring the loudest for mixing of the schools seem to be the same silver spring parents demanding more seats of enrichment at their local schools to make sure their middle class kids get everything they need. What could be fueling them to feel so strongly that putting them in class with mostly other middle class kids would be so enriching? The stench of hypocrisy is strong on this board

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2015/04/duke_university_poverty_study_when_rich_and_poor_live_side_by_side_poor.html

SES Integration is a farce it just hinds mediocrity or supplements it until it goes away. Even if it did help a couple of individuals I doesn't move the needle about systemic poverty for those left behind and the backfill.

Also every single study takes poor kids in failing schools and puts them in rich successful schools. MoCo schools are similarly resourced and the poor ones actually have more. You would literally taking kids out of tough situations and putting them in tougher spots with less and expecting them to keep up with the best resourced students in the county. Sure a couple of poor kids would rise to the occasion but poor kids rise to the occasion at their home schools too.

The people clamoring the loudest for mixing of the schools seem to be the same silver spring parents demanding more seats of enrichment at their local schools to make sure their middle class kids get everything they need. What could be fueling them to feel so strongly that putting them in class with mostly other middle class kids would be so enriching? The stench of hypocrisy is strong on this board

All the credible studies disagree, but you're certainly entitled to embrace fringe theories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

Poor isn’t a protected class, neither is fat or stupid. I unabashedly avoid these types

Well aware of your impending “I avoid assholes” comment but the thing is I have the resources to chose exactly where I want to live, you compromise. Who is actively avoiding who? Do you honestly think you can policy make me or my children hang around you or yours? If so you’re might just be multiples of the types I avoid

Then stop complaining and go somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

Poor isn’t a protected class, neither is fat or stupid. I unabashedly avoid these types

Well aware of your impending “I avoid assholes” comment but the thing is I have the resources to chose exactly where I want to live, you compromise. Who is actively avoiding who? Do you honestly think you can policy make me or my children hang around you or yours? If so you’re might just be multiples of the types I avoid

Then stop complaining and go somewhere else.

The more likely scenario for that area involves lopping off the schools in B-CC's north boundary and putting them in Woodward while adjusting B-CC's eastern boundary further eastward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

Poor isn’t a protected class, neither is fat or stupid. I unabashedly avoid these types

Well aware of your impending “I avoid assholes” comment but the thing is I have the resources to chose exactly where I want to live, you compromise. Who is actively avoiding who? Do you honestly think you can policy make me or my children hang around you or yours? If so you’re might just be multiples of the types I avoid

Then stop complaining and go somewhere else.

The more likely scenario for that area involves lopping off the schools in B-CC's north boundary and putting them in Woodward while adjusting B-CC's eastern boundary further eastward.

That would be a wet dream for Woodside Park. But pulling the one UMC neighborhood out of Einstein and putting it in BCC wouldn’t help anybody but the property owners in silver spring who get to opt out of going to poor schools. That move would hurt BCC and Einstein so I wouldn’t think it is likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2015/04/duke_university_poverty_study_when_rich_and_poor_live_side_by_side_poor.html

SES Integration is a farce it just hinds mediocrity or supplements it until it goes away. Even if it did help a couple of individuals I doesn't move the needle about systemic poverty for those left behind and the backfill.

Also every single study takes poor kids in failing schools and puts them in rich successful schools. MoCo schools are similarly resourced and the poor ones actually have more. You would literally taking kids out of tough situations and putting them in tougher spots with less and expecting them to keep up with the best resourced students in the county. Sure a couple of poor kids would rise to the occasion but poor kids rise to the occasion at their home schools too.

The people clamoring the loudest for mixing of the schools seem to be the same silver spring parents demanding more seats of enrichment at their local schools to make sure their middle class kids get everything they need. What could be fueling them to feel so strongly that putting them in class with mostly other middle class kids would be so enriching? The stench of hypocrisy is strong on this board

All the credible studies disagree, but you're certainly entitled to embrace fringe theories.

Show me one that transfers poor kids from one middle class system school to a different school in the same middle class system. Go for it I’ll wait

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s rigorous study: the students that stay in school, work hard, stay out of trouble, and challenge themselves do better than the students who are absent a lot, don’t study hard, don’t stay out of trouble, and cut corners.

+100. true in any language and at any income level

+ a million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2015/04/duke_university_poverty_study_when_rich_and_poor_live_side_by_side_poor.html

SES Integration is a farce it just hinds mediocrity or supplements it until it goes away. Even if it did help a couple of individuals I doesn't move the needle about systemic poverty for those left behind and the backfill.

Also every single study takes poor kids in failing schools and puts them in rich successful schools. MoCo schools are similarly resourced and the poor ones actually have more. You would literally taking kids out of tough situations and putting them in tougher spots with less and expecting them to keep up with the best resourced students in the county. Sure a couple of poor kids would rise to the occasion but poor kids rise to the occasion at their home schools too.

The people clamoring the loudest for mixing of the schools seem to be the same silver spring parents demanding more seats of enrichment at their local schools to make sure their middle class kids get everything they need. What could be fueling them to feel so strongly that putting them in class with mostly other middle class kids would be so enriching? The stench of hypocrisy is strong on this board

All the credible studies disagree, but you're certainly entitled to embrace fringe theories.

Show me one that transfers poor kids from one middle class system school to a different school in the same middle class system. Go for it I’ll wait

Dozens have been linked here in the past few weeks repeatedly. If you haven’t seen then it’s only because you intentionally prefer ignorance. In the unlikely event you are sincere you can easily find them by searching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. I was aiming for economic diversity and Damascus at 29% FARMs is at the intermediate level where the FARMs students should be helped being in a diverse school. In addition the 30% AA + Hispanic fraction of Damascus makes it more diverse than any of the W schools. (Although the white fraction at Damascus is high, the Asian fraction is low, so the white + Asian fraction is much lower than any of the W schools.)

2. Are you saying that MCPS is not interested in improving academic performance to reduce the achievement gap? That would be news to me, but perhaps you can say why you believe this.

3. All MCPS schools provide the same curriculum. There are people in Bethesda and Potomac who believe that their schools provide better education because the students are with high-performing cohorts.

Right.

When it's an issue that benefits people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "The high schools in Bethesda and Potomac are better!"

When it's an issue that doesn't benefit people who own property in Bethesda and Potomac, it's, "All of the high schools in MCPS have the same curriculum!"

Some people consider those schools better because of various reasons NOT including BETTER CURRICULUM.

I don't think anyone would really have problems understanding these simple arguments.

So, the schools are better? They're not all the same?

I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes many high achievers. If you exchanged all the students of my W school with those of say, Kennedy HS, then I would prefer my child go to Kennedy HS. MCPS schools all have the same curriculum.

I read this as "I prefer that my child go to a W school because the student body includes few poor people".

Poor isn’t a protected class, neither is fat or stupid. I unabashedly avoid these types

Well aware of your impending “I avoid assholes” comment but the thing is I have the resources to chose exactly where I want to live, you compromise. Who is actively avoiding who? Do you honestly think you can policy make me or my children hang around you or yours? If so you’re might just be multiples of the types I avoid

Then stop complaining and go somewhere else.

No need, I don’t hang in silver spring