Studies on "integrated schools"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys better hope they don’t really mix up everyone the way this thread is suggesting they might. It will just end up like San Francisco where the high SES families will leave for another district or private and then all you have is every school underperforming.

Nobody wants their kid “learning” the basics over and over when they could be actually learning something somewhere else and they have the means to provide that.

It really seems like the different groups have different needs.

Low SES students really need help with the basic, core educational fundamentals.

absolutely by no means universally true. Assuming this holds students back from their potential.

If you integrate UMC families into those schools, guess who will run the PTA, and whose issues the school will address? The UMC families.

you hope that this wouldn't be such a massive takeover. Thst is a failure of the parents and not the school.

UMC families want their children to be challenged and pushed, which is a different perspective from low SES families who want their children to grasp the core educational elements the parents may not be able to provide / assist with at home.

again, assuming low ses families want less for their kids than higher ses? Really? Or is that all that they have access to? Desire for academic excellence is not limited to those in a higher tax bracket.

If you force UMC families into schools that are focused on just teaching the fundamentals, the UMC will push to change the curriculum to allow for more honors classes to challenge their kids, or they will leave the MCPS system entirely.

this kind of flight is what also dooms systems - those who can, leave. But we can't leave systems in place that *hold students baxk* because of the fear of white or high ses flight.

It is a real issue that if a student is not challenged (by simply relearning the fundamentals to the common denominator) they will have a hard time in college. They will have never developed the "Grit" needed to work through challenging material on their own. That is a concern to UMC families, more than their concern about their "moral obligation" to help UnRepresented Minorities.

Always is frustrating that those of a lower ses are criticized for not having "grit" but we don't talk about how higher ses kids don't develop grit because they have the presence of parents smoothing the way for them, often tutors, better more engaged teachers, and calmer more engaged school environments.

What URM advocates want is for UMC families to attend school with low SES families, donate a bunch of money to the PTA, not get involved with the PTA programs, and to accept a less challenging environment for their student.

I just see that the two populations have very different real needs and wants, and there may be disadvantages in trying to combine both by sprinkling UMC kids into a FARMS school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys better hope they don’t really mix up everyone the way this thread is suggesting they might. It will just end up like San Francisco where the high SES families will leave for another district or private and then all you have is every school underperforming.

Nobody wants their kid “learning” the basics over and over when they could be actually learning something somewhere else and they have the means to provide that.

It really seems like the different groups have different needs.

Low SES students really need help with the basic, core educational fundamentals.

If you integrate UMC families into those schools, guess who will run the PTA, and whose issues the school will address? The UMC families.

UMC families want their children to be challenged and pushed, which is a different perspective from low SES families who want their children to grasp the core educational elements the parents may not be able to provide / assist with at home.

If you force UMC families into schools that are focused on just teaching the fundamentals, the UMC will push to change the curriculum to allow for more honors classes to challenge their kids, or they will leave the MCPS system entirely.

It is a real issue that if a student is not challenged (by simply relearning the fundamentals to the common denominator) they will have a hard time in college. They will have never developed the "Grit" needed to work through challenging material on their own. That is a concern to UMC families, more than their concern about their "moral obligation" to help UnRepresented Minorities.

What URM advocates want is for UMC families to attend school with low SES families, donate a bunch of money to the PTA, not get involved with the PTA programs, and to accept a less challenging environment for their student.

I just see that the two populations have very different real needs and wants, and there may be disadvantages in trying to combine both by sprinkling UMC kids into a FARMS school.

Exactly.
I support more money for low income underperforming schools.
But don’t throw my kid under that bus!

[Anonymous]

Diversifying the segregated schools in the western part of the county is long overdue. It's honestly amazing this has gong on this long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys better hope they don’t really mix up everyone the way this thread is suggesting they might. It will just end up like San Francisco where the high SES families will leave for another district or private and then all you have is every school underperforming.

Nobody wants their kid “learning” the basics over and over when they could be actually learning something somewhere else and they have the means to provide that.

It really seems like the different groups have different needs.

Low SES students really need help with the basic, core educational fundamentals.

absolutely by no means universally true. Assuming this holds students back from their potential.

If you integrate UMC families into those schools, guess who will run the PTA, and whose issues the school will address? The UMC families.

you hope that this wouldn't be such a massive takeover. Thst is a failure of the parents and not the school.

UMC families want their children to be challenged and pushed, which is a different perspective from low SES families who want their children to grasp the core educational elements the parents may not be able to provide / assist with at home.

again, assuming low ses families want less for their kids than higher ses? Really? Or is that all that they have access to? Desire for academic excellence is not limited to those in a higher tax bracket.

If you force UMC families into schools that are focused on just teaching the fundamentals, the UMC will push to change the curriculum to allow for more honors classes to challenge their kids, or they will leave the MCPS system entirely.

this kind of flight is what also dooms systems - those who can, leave. But we can't leave systems in place that *hold students baxk* because of the fear of white or high ses flight.

It is a real issue that if a student is not challenged (by simply relearning the fundamentals to the common denominator) they will have a hard time in college. They will have never developed the "Grit" needed to work through challenging material on their own. That is a concern to UMC families, more than their concern about their "moral obligation" to help UnRepresented Minorities.

Always is frustrating that those of a lower ses are criticized for not having "grit" but we don't talk about how higher ses kids don't develop grit because they have the presence of parents smoothing the way for them, often tutors, better more engaged teachers, and calmer more engaged school environments.

What URM advocates want is for UMC families to attend school with low SES families, donate a bunch of money to the PTA, not get involved with the PTA programs, and to accept a less challenging environment for their student.

I just see that the two populations have very different real needs and wants, and there may be disadvantages in trying to combine both by sprinkling UMC kids into a FARMS school.

Trying to learn to land the rocket does you absolutely no good if you never even learn to take off or do the most basic flight.

Those kids just get further and further behind. Isn't that exactly what happened with the 2.0 disaster? The lower SES kids just suffered more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Diversifying the segregated schools in the western part of the county is long overdue. It's honestly amazing this has gong on this long.

There are no "segregated" schools. People move freely and all schools reflect the population of people living there.

Don't use the demographics of the "county". People don't use the demographics of the country to say certain regions of the US are segregated. Neither should we.