Studies on "integrated schools"

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why it is not racist when the blacks think mixing black and white students could improve black students’ acadamic performance? Doesnt that indicate black students cannot learn in schools by themselves?

I wonder this too. I'd honestly feel so embarrassed to be black and know that my only option for a decent education was to escape the people of my own color or to at least bring in enough white people to dilute them.

I'm a woman in a technical field and it annoys me to no end when there are events like "math for girls" and "IT for girls", as if we're second class citizens who can't keep up with the real stuff. No thanks.

The relevant people for providing useful information about what it feels like to be [something - in this case, black] are: people who are [that thing].

Here is a list of people who do not provide useful information about what it feels like to be [that thing]: people who are not [that thing].

So tell us, PP. What does it feel like to be a black person and to know that apparently the only hope for people of your color to get a decent education is to mix in some white kids? (Genuine question.) And what exactly do you think is happening in that case? Is it so the white kids can teach the black kids stuff in class, or so the entire class isn't full of disciplinary problems so the teacher has a fighting chance of keeping some control because you see white kids as better behaved, or so the white kids can show the black kids what doing homework is like, or so white kids can show black kids what it's like to sit down and do their work, or something else? And is it any white kid that would do, or it needs to be an UMC white kid for this idea to work?

If we can understand what the reason is that you think you need white kids in your classes for the black kids to be able to learn to read and write and count the way the white kids seem to be able to do, maybe we can come up with some other ideas that can help. But I'm honestly at a loss right now, and I imagine that other people probably are as well.

Oh, and I have a PhD and do not buy into that "definitive study" referenced above. Please give an actual reason, even if it's just a guess.

Glad you have a PhD.

The study above lays out that the factor most affecting student achievement for the positive is economic integration. It also looks.at race independently, and it is.more than fair to say that 50 years later we can see how those can intersect.

My theory, backed up by experience and studies? Concentrated poverty in schools harms student achievement, denies those students opportunities, and is u unjust and unjustified. This county's income segregation, which manifests itself in the racial composition, farms rates, and esol rates of the schools promotes that injustice. We have a moral obligation to change that.

It isn't "sprinkling white kids." It is working to dismantle the segregation of schools to improve achievement for all students.

First, the study you are talking about is unscientific BS.

Second, you didn't answer the question. What is the actual REASON? As in, the cause. Not the effects and the correlations and observations and your feelings about our moral obligations.

What is the actual REASON why black people need white people in the class? The only thing resembling an actual reason in your ramblings was a vague reference to a lack of "opportunities" if there are not enough white kids in the class. What do you mean by that, specifically?

What study? If mcps is 40% underperformers and climbing, putting 20% of underperformers in each school does not change that. What is that?. C2.0 conceptual math garbage?

Mcps doesn’t even have a real k-8 curriculum in place since 2011 and they’re wasting time on this junk? Or is it just one unemployed SJW chirping one liners all week here?

Exactly the county needs to balance SES across schools to help level the playing field and ensure all children have access to a hgih-quality education not just those few in the segregated schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why it is not racist when the blacks think mixing black and white students could improve black students’ acadamic performance? Doesnt that indicate black students cannot learn in schools by themselves?

I wonder this too. I'd honestly feel so embarrassed to be black and know that my only option for a decent education was to escape the people of my own color or to at least bring in enough white people to dilute them.

I'm a woman in a technical field and it annoys me to no end when there are events like "math for girls" and "IT for girls", as if we're second class citizens who can't keep up with the real stuff. No thanks.

The relevant people for providing useful information about what it feels like to be [something - in this case, black] are: people who are [that thing].

Here is a list of people who do not provide useful information about what it feels like to be [that thing]: people who are not [that thing].

So tell us, PP. What does it feel like to be a black person and to know that apparently the only hope for people of your color to get a decent education is to mix in some white kids? (Genuine question.) And what exactly do you think is happening in that case? Is it so the white kids can teach the black kids stuff in class, or so the entire class isn't full of disciplinary problems so the teacher has a fighting chance of keeping some control because you see white kids as better behaved, or so the white kids can show the black kids what doing homework is like, or so white kids can show black kids what it's like to sit down and do their work, or something else? And is it any white kid that would do, or it needs to be an UMC white kid for this idea to work?

If we can understand what the reason is that you think you need white kids in your classes for the black kids to be able to learn to read and write and count the way the white kids seem to be able to do, maybe we can come up with some other ideas that can help. But I'm honestly at a loss right now, and I imagine that other people probably are as well.

Oh, and I have a PhD and do not buy into that "definitive study" referenced above. Please give an actual reason, even if it's just a guess.

Glad you have a PhD.

The study above lays out that the factor most affecting student achievement for the positive is economic integration. It also looks.at race independently, and it is.more than fair to say that 50 years later we can see how those can intersect.

My theory, backed up by experience and studies? Concentrated poverty in schools harms student achievement, denies those students opportunities, and is u unjust and unjustified. This county's income segregation, which manifests itself in the racial composition, farms rates, and esol rates of the schools promotes that injustice. We have a moral obligation to change that.

It isn't "sprinkling white kids." It is working to dismantle the segregation of schools to improve achievement for all students.

First, the study you are talking about is unscientific BS.

Second, you didn't answer the question. What is the actual REASON? As in, the cause. Not the effects and the correlations and observations and your feelings about our moral obligations.

What is the actual REASON why black people need white people in the class? The only thing resembling an actual reason in your ramblings was a vague reference to a lack of "opportunities" if there are not enough white kids in the class. What do you mean by that, specifically?

What study? If mcps is 40% underperformers and climbing, putting 20% of underperformers in each school does not change that. What is that?. C2.0 conceptual math garbage?

Mcps doesn’t even have a real k-8 curriculum in place since 2011 and they’re wasting time on this junk? Or is it just one unemployed SJW chirping one liners all week here?

Exactly the county needs to balance SES across schools to help level the playing field and ensure all children have access to a hgih-quality education not just those few in the segregated schools.

How do the few segragated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

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How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

[Anonymous]

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How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

So the purpose is to drive up the prooerty value in Silver Spring, isnt it?

[Anonymous]

I was once explained that at stronger schools teachers don’t have to spend time on drilling the basics, they can study more stuff and more in depth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

So the purpose is to drive up the prooerty value in Silver Spring, isnt it?

The purpose of whom?

I am just looking at this from an aspect that is reasonable. I don't care what purpose whoever has. Who needs to dig into other people's mind to find out about their purposes? They can have whatever noble or evil purposes, it does not matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was once explained that at stronger schools teachers don’t have to spend time on drilling the basics, they can study more stuff and more in depth.

100% correct - but you aren't allowed to say things like this around here you racist!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

So, the schools are better but the education is the same? It sounds like something the Red Queen would say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was once explained that at stronger schools teachers don’t have to spend time on drilling the basics, they can study more stuff and more in depth.

100% correct - but you aren't allowed to say things like this around here you racist!

I read at the some schools people really get a free lunch!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

So, the schools are better but the education is the same? It sounds like something the Red Queen would say.

No, the schools aren't better, the kids simply perform better. You could switch the school population from the lowest performing school with the highest performing school while leaving everything else about the schools the same, and the kids performance would stay the same in the new schools. It's not the schools that are different, it's the capabilities of the students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why it is not racist when the blacks think mixing black and white students could improve black students’ acadamic performance? Doesnt that indicate black students cannot learn in schools by themselves?

I wonder this too. I'd honestly feel so embarrassed to be black and know that my only option for a decent education was to escape the people of my own color or to at least bring in enough white people to dilute them.

I'm a woman in a technical field and it annoys me to no end when there are events like "math for girls" and "IT for girls", as if we're second class citizens who can't keep up with the real stuff. No thanks.

The relevant people for providing useful information about what it feels like to be [something - in this case, black] are: people who are [that thing].

Here is a list of people who do not provide useful information about what it feels like to be [that thing]: people who are not [that thing].

So tell us, PP. What does it feel like to be a black person and to know that apparently the only hope for people of your color to get a decent education is to mix in some white kids? (Genuine question.) And what exactly do you think is happening in that case? Is it so the white kids can teach the black kids stuff in class, or so the entire class isn't full of disciplinary problems so the teacher has a fighting chance of keeping some control because you see white kids as better behaved, or so the white kids can show the black kids what doing homework is like, or so white kids can show black kids what it's like to sit down and do their work, or something else? And is it any white kid that would do, or it needs to be an UMC white kid for this idea to work?

If we can understand what the reason is that you think you need white kids in your classes for the black kids to be able to learn to read and write and count the way the white kids seem to be able to do, maybe we can come up with some other ideas that can help. But I'm honestly at a loss right now, and I imagine that other people probably are as well.

Oh, and I have a PhD and do not buy into that "definitive study" referenced above. Please give an actual reason, even if it's just a guess.

Glad you have a PhD.

The study above lays out that the factor most affecting student achievement for the positive is economic integration. It also looks.at race independently, and it is.more than fair to say that 50 years later we can see how those can intersect.

My theory, backed up by experience and studies? Concentrated poverty in schools harms student achievement, denies those students opportunities, and is u unjust and unjustified. This county's income segregation, which manifests itself in the racial composition, farms rates, and esol rates of the schools promotes that injustice. We have a moral obligation to change that.

It isn't "sprinkling white kids." It is working to dismantle the segregation of schools to improve achievement for all students.

First, the study you are talking about is unscientific BS.

Second, you didn't answer the question. What is the actual REASON? As in, the cause. Not the effects and the correlations and observations and your feelings about our moral obligations.

What is the actual REASON why black people need white people in the class? The only thing resembling an actual reason in your ramblings was a vague reference to a lack of "opportunities" if there are not enough white kids in the class. What do you mean by that, specifically?

What study? If mcps is 40% underperformers and climbing, putting 20% of underperformers in each school does not change that. What is that?. C2.0 conceptual math garbage?

Mcps doesn’t even have a real k-8 curriculum in place since 2011 and they’re wasting time on this junk? Or is it just one unemployed SJW chirping one liners all week here?

Exactly the county needs to balance SES across schools to help level the playing field and ensure all children have access to a hgih-quality education not just those few in the segregated schools.

Exactly nothing. Nice joke.

Honey, you can go put the underperforming student with illiterate uneducated parents in Hotchkiss, and s/he will still underperform. Perhaps drastically more when s/he sees the mental horsepower and work ethic of an over-achiever with educated, strict parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

Exactly. Our school is 80% farms and Hispanics. Very segregated. Not sure what will be left if my old colonial falls by hundreds of thousands of dollars. What?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was once explained that at stronger schools teachers don’t have to spend time on drilling the basics, they can study more stuff and more in depth.

100% correct - but you aren't allowed to say things like this around here you racist!

I read at the some schools people really get a free lunch!

And breakfast! Where do I sign my kids up!? That would save me time and money I don’t have!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do the few segregated schools offer better education? It is MCPS and every school use the same curriculum. Do you think the teachers in whitman are better than the teachers in Northwood? Please show data to support your statement.

Ask the people whose property values will apparently fall by hundreds of thousands of dollars if their schools become less segregated.

These schools do not necessarily offer "better education". However if students perform better, the schools are considered "better" (don't ask me by who), and that is what affects housing prices.

There is no need to understand the fundamental driving mechanism of that, but that is the reality.

So, the schools are better but the education is the same? It sounds like something the Red Queen would say.

No, the schools aren't better, the kids simply perform better. You could switch the school population from the lowest performing school with the highest performing school while leaving everything else about the schools the same, and the kids performance would stay the same in the new schools. It's not the schools that are different, it's the capabilities of the students.

Equality now! Equal capabilities. Equal abilities. Now.