CES Decision Letters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think they are using cohort for CES, only for Middle School and not for High School.

According to

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/Parent%20Presentations%202017-2018.Jan.2018(1).pdf

"The Centers are designed for students whose needs cannot easily be met in their home school and are seen as outliers amongst their peers."

And according to

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/CES%20Selection.PDF

here is the "purpose" of the center program: "Although many students would benefit from a selective magnet program experience, the intent of the program is to serve students who lack an academic cohort in their home school."

The two documents are listed at:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/admissions/applications.aspx

under the tab "For Grade 3 Students."

Also from the first document listed above, in one of the slides describing the addmissions process:

"Students who demonstrate an academic need beyond their local peer group will be considered for one of the seats in the regional centers."

[Anonymous]

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

MCPS HAS spelled it out. See the MCPS documents that you can access from the links posted above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

Cohort doesn't matter as much for the regional CES because the catchment areas for each center are smaller and more homogenous than the MS magnet catchment areas. I found the report very interesting and hadn't seen it before so thanks to PP who posted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

Cohort doesn't matter as much for the regional CES because the catchment areas for each center are smaller and more homogenous than the MS magnet catchment areas. I found the report very interesting and hadn't seen it before so thanks to PP who posted it.

I am sure this is the CW in DCUM, but I suspect this is correct only for Chevy Chase and Cold Spring. For Barnsley and Drew it is not true as they both serve schools with very high FARMS/ESOL as well as very low FARMS/ESOL, so peer cohort will have an impact on admissions. I would guess this would be true for most other centers as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

Cohort doesn't matter as much for the regional CES because the catchment areas for each center are smaller and more homogenous than the MS magnet catchment areas. I found the report very interesting and hadn't seen it before so thanks to PP who posted it.

This is indisputable from a pure number standpoint because there are tons more seats for the CES program than MS magnets. There is also a wider diversity in the types of schools in the larger catchment area so the divide or gap between students admitted from different school is bigger.

But make no mistake cohort was used for the CESes and it did make a big difference for some schools. You should feel free to call AEI or your principal if you have questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I already posted on this thread.

People, just because MCPS spells it out in some docs and doesn't in others... they take cohorts very much into account for the CES and all magnet programs.

You are free to disbelieve me. However I am just stating the reality.

I'm disbelieving because it seems more likely this is something that parents want to believe in order to rag on MCPS.

They'd spell it out as they do for middle school if it were the case.

Cohort doesn't matter as much for the regional CES because the catchment areas for each center are smaller and more homogenous than the MS magnet catchment areas. I found the report very interesting and hadn't seen it before so thanks to PP who posted it.

bingo!

[Anonymous]

Anyone think the CES letters will come today? It came 2 days early for the Takoma/Eastern results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone think the CES letters will come today? It came 2 days early for the Takoma/Eastern results.

Nothing coming today in my USPS Informed Delivery, and also nothing posted on the MCPS portal (for my current fifth grader, Cogat scores were posted the same day we received the magnet letter). Also, the weekly email from our elementary school (that houses a CES) said that CES letters would be mailed the week of April 1, although I'm still hoping for this week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone think the CES letters will come today? It came 2 days early for the Takoma/Eastern results.

Nothing coming today in my USPS Informed Delivery, and also nothing posted on the MCPS portal (for my current fifth grader, Cogat scores were posted the same day we received the magnet letter). Also, the weekly email from our elementary school (that houses a CES) said that CES letters would be mailed the week of April 1, although I'm still hoping for this week.

Thanks for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone think the CES letters will come today? It came 2 days early for the Takoma/Eastern results.

Nothing coming today in my USPS Informed Delivery, and also nothing posted on the MCPS portal (for my current fifth grader, Cogat scores were posted the same day we received the magnet letter). Also, the weekly email from our elementary school (that houses a CES) said that CES letters would be mailed the week of April 1, although I'm still hoping for this week.

Well great. Now I have to think about possible early or late letter arrival (on top of getting a waitlist answer that turns out to be a rejection).

[Anonymous]

I am sure this is the CW in DCUM, but I suspect this is correct only for Chevy Chase and Cold Spring. For Barnsley and Drew it is not true as they both serve schools with very high FARMS/ESOL as well as very low FARMS/ESOL, so peer cohort will have an impact on admissions. I would guess this would be true for most other centers as well.

This is purely anecdotal, but my child is at a regional CES that draws from a very diverse catchment zone. The lowest FARMS rate in the zone is about 10 percent. The highest is about 70 percent. So, a huge swing. Based on my child's class (current 5th) and the class that came in the next year, I do not get the impression that the higher FARMS school is sending the bulk of the kids to the program. If anything, it seems pretty evenly split.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone received a letter yet?

[Anonymous]

In the other applicant pools (MS/HS) the day the letters went out the CogAT results posted in the Document Library on the parent portal. No posting yet.