Women had better sex in communist countries

[Anonymous]

Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

I don't think I have rose glasses on - I acknowledged that life in the USSR sucked in many ways. I also don't know why you think people born in the USSR - as you and I were - must agree on every aspect of its nature. As someone who grew up in the Caucasus I think I can catalog the deported peoples just as well as you.

What is the source of the number that only 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages? That sounds doubtful. In the entire country of Georgia, there were only seventeen schools that taught in Russian, so the 10% number definitely isn't true for that area.

The tragedies of the totalitarian regime affected everyone - certainly Russians were not spared from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

+1

And according to my Russian friends that better sex claim is BS. You don’t think there is a black market for sex under communism? Plz. There is a black market for everything under communism. It is ALL about what you can get when everything is hard to get unless you are connected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main cause was probably that those Communist countries were strongly paternalistic. They did not fill their women's heads with feminist nonsense that blamed men for everything and increased female dissatisfaction. Instead, women were expected to play traditional roles. And so they did.

The idea is that, because women were more financially independent, they didn't trade sex for economic security and, therefore, weren't as inclined to put up with bad sex or relationships

Totally incorrect. The standard of living was lower in the USSR and GDR than in the West. Women had fewer options economically. Women in the West were free to feel, and express, their dissatisfaction with men. Women in the USSR and GDR were pretty much stuck.

What? That's nonsense. Blame the Communists for many things, but they generally did great in the women empowerment department way before the West.

Haha, no. Domestic violence occurs with astonishing regularity in Russia, and is perceived differently by men and women. And this is AFTER the fall of the USSR (when I lived there, people kept assuring me it was WORSE in Soviet days). Russian women are expected to have careers or full time jobs AND cook and clean and care for children AND look feminine and beautiful at all times (I have never seen so many women wearing high high heels than when I lived there, and they wore them on the school run, to do grocery shopping, pretty much everywhere). Russian men and women also have different attitudes toward infidelity than Americans.

Russian women could have been grateful for the equality promised by the Communists, except that the existing gender roles meant that they were really expected to have two jobs, not just the official one granted by the state.

It isn't much different today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

+1

And according to my Russian friends that better sex claim is BS. You don’t think there is a black market for sex under communism? Plz. There is a black market for everything under communism. It is ALL about what you can get when everything is hard to get unless you are connected.

If by "black market" you mean prostitution, this isn't really a black market in Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women are expected to have careers or full time jobs AND cook and clean and care for children AND look feminine and beautiful at all times (I have never seen so many women wearing high high heels than when I lived there, and they wore them on the school run, to do grocery shopping, pretty much everywhere).

A quick perusal of this forum shows that things in America aren't much different for working women when it comes for working a second shift.

Russian women are like all other women - some are feminine, some aren't, some are beautiful, some aren't. Those who make an effort look better than those who don't. Those who look better enjoy better things than those who don't, all things being equal.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian men and women also have different attitudes toward infidelity than Americans.

Infidelity isn't a deal breaker for many Americans, either.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women could have been grateful for the equality promised by the Communists, except that the existing gender roles meant that they were really expected to have two jobs, not just the official one granted by the state.

It isn't much different today.

It actually is very different today but I wouldn't expect you to know or understand that. You seem incapable of nuance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Np here. 19:39 pp, pls take off your rose glasses. I just want to address 1 issue - Russification that you don't seem to realize existed. It doesn't refer to Russian speakers having an advantage or Russian being used as a common language, it refers to ethnic people who were deported and then replaced with ethnic Russians. 10% of schools taught in ethnic languages, so in Ukraine as an example out of every 10 schools, only 1 taught in Ukrainian. Universities taught in Russian, heck even names were Russified. This is going well beyond relationship discussion but as a person who was born in ussr, I am amazed at deliberate closing of eyes to the tragedies of totalitarian regime. It was a totalitarian regime that perished millions of people through gulag, holodomor, deportations, social injustice, a system that prevented free movement of people - but hey, women who managed to avoid all those, had better sex than their western sisters.

+1

And according to my Russian friends that better sex claim is BS. You don’t think there is a black market for sex under communism? Plz. There is a black market for everything under communism. It is ALL about what you can get when everything is hard to get unless you are connected.

I don't really understand the way your mind works. You are saying that if Russian women truly did have better sex, there wouldn't be prostitution in Russia? Come again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women are expected to have careers or full time jobs AND cook and clean and care for children AND look feminine and beautiful at all times (I have never seen so many women wearing high high heels than when I lived there, and they wore them on the school run, to do grocery shopping, pretty much everywhere).

A quick perusal of this forum shows that things in America aren't much different for working women when it comes for working a second shift.

Russian women are like all other women - some are feminine, some aren't, some are beautiful, some aren't. Those who make an effort look better than those who don't. Those who look better enjoy better things than those who don't, all things being equal.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian men and women also have different attitudes toward infidelity than Americans.

Infidelity isn't a deal breaker for many Americans, either.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women could have been grateful for the equality promised by the Communists, except that the existing gender roles meant that they were really expected to have two jobs, not just the official one granted by the state.

It isn't much different today.

It actually is very different today but I wouldn't expect you to know or understand that. You seem incapable of nuance.

I lived there for many years. I don't think it is possible for anyone who hasn't lived there to understand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women are expected to have careers or full time jobs AND cook and clean and care for children AND look feminine and beautiful at all times (I have never seen so many women wearing high high heels than when I lived there, and they wore them on the school run, to do grocery shopping, pretty much everywhere).

A quick perusal of this forum shows that things in America aren't much different for working women when it comes for working a second shift.

Russian women are like all other women - some are feminine, some aren't, some are beautiful, some aren't. Those who make an effort look better than those who don't. Those who look better enjoy better things than those who don't, all things being equal.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian men and women also have different attitudes toward infidelity than Americans.

Infidelity isn't a deal breaker for many Americans, either.

Anonymous wrote:
Russian women could have been grateful for the equality promised by the Communists, except that the existing gender roles meant that they were really expected to have two jobs, not just the official one granted by the state.

It isn't much different today.

It actually is very different today but I wouldn't expect you to know or understand that. You seem incapable of nuance.

I lived there for many years. I don't think it is possible for anyone who hasn't lived there to understand it.

Oh, and I left only six months ago, so yes, I know what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous]

So, to sum up, how was sex those days?

[Anonymous]

Yeah and poverty stricken women have a 3.2 kids per woman birth rate.
Nothing else to do, want to feel needed (from sex and from babies).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sex sucks in the US because of the macho silent type militarized culture where men disrespect women at every opportunity. Look at who is in charge of the country here.

You think the USSR didn’t have a macho militarized culture?! This was the country were everyone reportedly took exercise breaks instead of coffee breaks. Their military was famous for having the best, toughest, most brutal soldiers.

Also well known that they were/are very disrespectful of women. Most women I know from former Soviet countries won’t date or marry men from their home country.

As a Westerner, what I mostly heard about Russian men was that they were alcoholics. That can't have been good for the women's sex lives.

[Anonymous]

Interesting to read all these Russian comments. I thought Jeff said there are no Russians on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to read all these Russian comments. I thought Jeff said there are no Russians on this thread.

How could Jeff possibly know that?

This area is home to thousands of middleclass Russians and who knows how many blue-collar ones (those are mostly in B'more). Who do you think is keeping the Russian preschools in business?