Women had better sex in communist countries

[Anonymous]

This just seemed interesting: Women had better sex in communist countries.
https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism

After the reunification of Germany, a few interesting studies were undertaken about the sex lives of German women from both sides of the Iron Curtain.
To the surprise of many in the West, two-thirds of the East German woman reported that they "almost always" had an orgasm during sex, with another 18 percent revealing they did so "often". What's more, 82% of them reported being "happy" after sex. On the other hand, the West German women experienced orgasms half as much as their communist counterparts and only 52% of them reported being "happy" after sex.

In Russia, studies on various kinds of relationships show a proliferation of people viewing relationships as a mere "calculation" after the fall of communism and a slew of friendship- and romance-driven ones during the days of the USSR. When combined with interviews given by Eastern Bloc women on how life was before and after the fall of communism, there is a clear dividing line between sex before and after capitalism won.

The idea is that, because women were more financially independent, they didn't trade sex for economic security and, therefore, weren't as inclined to put up with bad sex or relationships. Meanwhile, men upped their game in response. (Though there is another thought that the couples just got better at sex because, in communist countries, there wasn't much else to do for entertainment.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This just seemed interesting: Women had better sex in communist countries.
https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism

After the reunification of Germany, a few interesting studies were undertaken about the sex lives of German women from both sides of the Iron Curtain.
To the surprise of many in the West, two-thirds of the East German woman reported that they "almost always" had an orgasm during sex, with another 18 percent revealing they did so "often". What's more, 82% of them reported being "happy" after sex. On the other hand, the West German women experienced orgasms half as much as their communist counterparts and only 52% of them reported being "happy" after sex.

In Russia, studies on various kinds of relationships show a proliferation of people viewing relationships as a mere "calculation" after the fall of communism and a slew of friendship- and romance-driven ones during the days of the USSR. When combined with interviews given by Eastern Bloc women on how life was before and after the fall of communism, there is a clear dividing line between sex before and after capitalism won.

The idea is that, because women were more financially independent, they didn't trade sex for economic security and, therefore, weren't as inclined to put up with bad sex or relationships. Meanwhile, men upped their game in response. (Though there is another thought that the couples just got better at sex because, in communist countries, there wasn't much else to do for entertainment.)

Bingo. They had crappy quality of life, but sex was a free escape.

[Anonymous]

I'm skeptical to say the least.

So, let me get this straight...after a long day of working on the assembly line at the State Tractor Factory followed by hours standing in line at the State Grocery Store and finding empty shelves , these commie babes were all hot and bothered and ready to get it on in the one room, one bath, government provided apartment they shared with their entire extended families? True there's nothing on State TV (if you can even get a TV) except State News and biographies of the Glorious Chairman of the Party and other Party functionaries. Granted, sex is free and probably takes your mind off of the constant fear of being turned in by your own kids for buying luxury items on the black market or criticizing the Party or the State, but just the same, color me dubious.

[Anonymous]

So what explains their low birthrates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what explains their low birthrates?

Government funded abortions and who the hell wants to raise a kid in that hell? Also, at least in Red China, one child policy. Cramped living quarters, alcoholism, low-calorie diet, poor health care, waiting lists for everything, etc.

[Anonymous]

Did religion have an effect? Bc the communist countries were less religious (right?), so they had diff attitudes about sex?

[Anonymous]

The main cause was probably that those Communist countries were strongly paternalistic. They did not fill their women's heads with feminist nonsense that blamed men for everything and increased female dissatisfaction. Instead, women were expected to play traditional roles. And so they did.

The idea is that, because women were more financially independent, they didn't trade sex for economic security and, therefore, weren't as inclined to put up with bad sex or relationships

Totally incorrect. The standard of living was lower in the USSR and GDR than in the West. Women had fewer options economically. Women in the West were free to feel, and express, their dissatisfaction with men. Women in the USSR and GDR were pretty much stuck.

[Anonymous]

Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

The author has an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

The author has an agenda.

I think it's this also. I lived there years ago. Back in the Soviet times, everyone got married really young because you got a better government-provided apartment if you were 2 people instead of 1. So it's not like wild promiscuity and hook-up culture --everyone was married in their early 20's.

So then the whole thing collapses and in come capitalism. All the guys who got the newly-privatized spoils and did well financially all divorced their first wives and got a new, younger version now that they had money to flash and that was trendy. We even had a term for them -- upgrade wives.

[Anonymous]

More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

[Anonymous]

Women traded sex for just about anything in socialist Czechoslovakia, I know this for a fact. Even for a pair of stocking hose. Further, in SSSR for decades women had no partners bcs men were dead.... it was more common growing up without a father than with a father. But, yeah, sex wasn't stigmatized like here. US is absolutely the most prude country in the Western world, imo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

If you consider standing in endless lines for basic necessities that were always in short supply to be leisure time, then yeah, okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what explains their low birthrates?

Government funded abortions and who the hell wants to raise a kid in that hell? Also, at least in Red China, one child policy. Cramped living quarters, alcoholism, low-calorie diet, poor health care, waiting lists for everything, etc.

Not true. I grew up there. Birth control was available, and it was cultural and still is to have 2 kids the most, maybe 3. Big families were not cool, longer story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

Nope. I grew up in Eastern Europe and my parents worked on Saturdays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

Methinks you know NOTHING about the attitudes towards sex in the former USSR.