Missed TJ teacher name entry deadline (appeal process)

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


Thousands apply. I am sure it is more than a couple that missed the deadline. People miss deadlines all the time; it doesn’t meant that the deadline is faulty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Einstein forgot to brush his hair and tuck his shirt in. Guess tj wasn’t for him either.


TJ woud not have been good for Einstein for many reasons, but that is not one of them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Einstein forgot to brush his hair and tuck his shirt in. Guess tj wasn’t for him either.


Haha. My DS forgot to brush his hair and tuck his shirt in EVERY SINGLE DAY!
However, he did not missed the deadline to enter teachers' name because it's about something he really CARES!
Anonymous
That letter is horrendous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


They’ve had this same process for a long time. They need the names because they send the selected teachers the forms to fill out on line. The teachers are not handwriting recs and mailing them in. They generally don’t just switch teachers. Teachers in these grades know how it works and they are prepared.

I’ve followed TJ admissions for a few years now and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about this before. I’m not aware of this happening to any of the other kids who applied at the same time mine did (from the same school) or in the years since. Maybe if you could show that the number of days to respond was so reduced this year that numerous kids missed the deadline they might extend the deadline?


Earlier it used to be 2 weeks time, now it is reduced to a week out of which 3 are only working.


Why does the number of working days matter- Don’t they enter the names on line?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


They’ve had this same process for a long time. They need the names because they send the selected teachers the forms to fill out on line. The teachers are not handwriting recs and mailing them in. They generally don’t just switch teachers. Teachers in these grades know how it works and they are prepared.

I’ve followed TJ admissions for a few years now and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about this before. I’m not aware of this happening to any of the other kids who applied at the same time mine did (from the same school) or in the years since. Maybe if you could show that the number of days to respond was so reduced this year that numerous kids missed the deadline they might extend the deadline?


Earlier it used to be 2 weeks time, now it is reduced to a week out of which 3 are only working.


Why does the number of working days matter- Don’t they enter the names on line?


You have to ask the teacher first. With block scheduling you don’t see them everyday.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


They’ve had this same process for a long time. They need the names because they send the selected teachers the forms to fill out on line. The teachers are not handwriting recs and mailing them in. They generally don’t just switch teachers. Teachers in these grades know how it works and they are prepared.

I’ve followed TJ admissions for a few years now and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about this before. I’m not aware of this happening to any of the other kids who applied at the same time mine did (from the same school) or in the years since. Maybe if you could show that the number of days to respond was so reduced this year that numerous kids missed the deadline they might extend the deadline?


Earlier it used to be 2 weeks time, now it is reduced to a week out of which 3 are only working.


Why does the number of working days matter- Don’t they enter the names on line?


You have to ask the teacher first. With block scheduling you don’t see them everyday.


Lots of options here:
-make a provisional ask for recommendations in advance of semifinalist notification
-email request
-find teacher before/after school or during lunch
Anonymous
That school is nuts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


They’ve had this same process for a long time. They need the names because they send the selected teachers the forms to fill out on line. The teachers are not handwriting recs and mailing them in. They generally don’t just switch teachers. Teachers in these grades know how it works and they are prepared.

I’ve followed TJ admissions for a few years now and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about this before. I’m not aware of this happening to any of the other kids who applied at the same time mine did (from the same school) or in the years since. Maybe if you could show that the number of days to respond was so reduced this year that numerous kids missed the deadline they might extend the deadline?


Earlier it used to be 2 weeks time, now it is reduced to a week out of which 3 are only working.


Why does the number of working days matter- Don’t they enter the names on line?


You have to ask the teacher first. With block scheduling you don’t see them everyday.


Lots of options here:
-make a provisional ask for recommendations in advance of semifinalist notification
-email request
-find teacher before/after school or during lunch


The teachers usually want an email anyway because a lot of them will ask the student for some bullet points as reminders of what the kids has done in class.
Anonymous
If my child missed a deadline, I'd have them to contact admissions and write a letter to them. If they write a good letter explaining how they've dreamt of going to TJ and using the proper grammar (unlike an immigrant parent who composed the petition above), then maybe admission director would have been more sympathetic. The letter above only shows how parents keep pushing their kids somewhere the kids don't care enough about.
Anonymous
I’m so sorry these comments are so mean. Advocate as best you can at this point. Maybe it will work out. Many of us here will be hoping for you! And pulling for your daughter’s success, wherever she lands!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But given the fact that multiple people missed the deadline, it's clear their process is bad.

Further, if the teacher recommendations are not actually due until 2/11, then prospective students should be able to submit them. Why does the school need to know the teacher's name? What if the teacher agreed, something happened, and they had to get a different teacher to do it? It doesn't make any sense to have to give the teachers name ahead of time. It would only make sense if the system they were using or their admin people had very poor processes or could not understand the system itself.


They’ve had this same process for a long time. They need the names because they send the selected teachers the forms to fill out on line. The teachers are not handwriting recs and mailing them in. They generally don’t just switch teachers. Teachers in these grades know how it works and they are prepared.

I’ve followed TJ admissions for a few years now and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about this before. I’m not aware of this happening to any of the other kids who applied at the same time mine did (from the same school) or in the years since. Maybe if you could show that the number of days to respond was so reduced this year that numerous kids missed the deadline they might extend the deadline?


Wow! They need to send them a link to a form? Oh yeah that’s definitely some advanced technology right there that surely can’t be automated so it can be done literally in seconds any time up until the deadline to turn in the recommendations ?? LOL! That is definitely some super tricky technology they are using that they can send email with a link! LOL And what’s worse is you even believe that to be true.

The application process sounds totally stupid and it’s likely the result of people who can’t understand how easy it is to automate a simple form submission workflow. This is actually a very common issue with school staff who have such limited exposure to technology in their day to day work. It’s pretty pathetic that it’s an application for a school of Science and Technology. Their admin should be totally embarrassed. Just get some of the students to develop a new system. Wouldn’t take them long at all.

Oh and I am not parent whose kid missed a deadline.

Anonymous
This letter badly needs an editor. Someone familiar with American English (don't be angry, I am an immigrant too).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Dear TJHSST admissions officials and FCPS Board Members,

Sub: Petition to allow TJ semi-finalists to take final test; who missed to provide teacher names by Jan 25th deadline because of short time to react due to school closures and other compelling reasons

We are a group of parents whose kids were all excited about doing everything required of them to apply to TJHSST. They have been working on the application process since last year, starting with the information sessions, then completing the applications, taking the tests, and finally receiving the much awaited semi-finalist decisions. On Jan 18th, our kids received the happy news that they made it to the next round. They immediately started to mentally prepare for the next assessment.

Unfortunately, the excitement didn't last long. In the excitement, they missed noticing the Jan. 25 deadline for submitting the two teacher names needed for teacher recommendations. As they were awaiting the email for the next assessment venue, date and time, it became clear on Jan 26th or soon after that they had missed this crucial deadline when their peers were discussing about submitting the teacher names for the recommendation letters. This was such a crushing discovery for them that it is going to take some time to recover from it after all the things they did right to get to that point.

Why the Jan 25th deadline was harsh and unfair?
In hindsight, we can now see that the deadline was stated in the semi-finalist communication, and it was also listed in the Important Dates in the application process. However, we believe that enforcing this deadline and rejecting students s who otherwise done everything right to become the semi-finalist in this process is harsh and unfair for the following reasons:

The deadline for submitting the names was little less than 3 school days after the Jan 18th notification date. Further, Jan 21st was the MLK holiday, Jan 22nd was 2 hour school delay because of weather, and 25th was a student holiday. Jan 24th was second grading period ending date.
Less than 3 days’ time is too short to talk with teachers and obtain their permission to provide their names, especially considering that it was also the end of the grading period and therefore a very busy week both for teachers and students.
Without having known beforehand what would be required for the next steps following semi-finalist announcement, how it would be communicated and to whom, it was extremely hard to plan, keep track and fulfill the demands from this short week in the middle the complex application process through the period Sep 2018 to Jan 25th.
The only other time the kids and parents could have paid close attention to this Jan 25th deadline prior to the Jan 18th notification letter was when they submitted their applications last Sept.
However, we don't recall of any option to enter the teacher names in the application portal prior to Jan 18th.
It was nearly impossible to visualize, track, and enter the teacher names when the students were preoccupied with the anticipation of the semi-finalist decisions and the upcoming Essay/SIS Administration.
Why the Jan 25th deadline was easy to miss unlike others?
We as the parents totally understand the need for deadlines and having the prerequisites met before moving forward to the next stage of the applications. At the same time, looking at all other steps involved in the whole application process, it is hard to understand the rationale behind the strict 1-week deadline.The communication on this was extremely limited and inconspicuous:
The only trigger was the Jan 18th email to check the decision
The email didn't mention the impending crucial deadline
There was no clear indication in the email or on the application site warning the students that they must provide the teacher names by Jan 25th or else their application would be cancelled even though they qualified as semi-finalist
Fewer than 3 school days were provided to get consent of teachers and provide their names in the busy second grading period ending week
While some middle school counselors sent out reminder emails to their students to provide teacher names, our students are unfortunately not at those schools
TJ prep centers monitor these deadlines carefully and notify students about this critical deadlines but some of our students are not at those prep centers
A semi-finalist would have to be aware that he or she needed to login to see any indication of the above deadline or its implications whatsoever;
It is too easy to miss to the notification and impending short deadline given that families are dealing with ailments, family or work related issues (such as the government shutdown), single parents dealing with everything, no proper internet connectivity during vacations, etc.
Some of the affected students had web site accessibility issues and was kicked out 4PM sharp on 1/25
One student could attend school only one day between Jan 18 and 25 due to health issues, making it impossible to obtain consent from teachers to provide their names to TJ. Another student was dealing with stressful family situation.
It is extremely unfortunate that such a crucial communication that would jeopardize the entire application process was not highlighted more clearly. These students have otherwise demonstrated that they are very smart, dedicated, diligent, high achievers. To disqualify them solely on the basis of the Jan. 25 deadline does a disservice to them and to TJ.

What we are requesting to consider for future admissions?
We sincerely believe that disqualification solely on the basis of the Jan 25th deadline is completely unfair to the kids who worked so hard and are so eager to be part of such a great learning environment. In future, a better approach to obtaining teacher recommendation from the students in the semi-finalist group could be achieved by several other means, such as:.
Making it clear at the start of the process that semi-finalists will have to provide teacher names for recommendations as of a given date.
Allowing the students to enter the teacher names ahead in the portal but only submit it to the teachers of the semi-finalists.
Ensuring TJ notifies the semi-finalists and parents of next steps and deadlines in an email. As noted, some of the other middle schools provided email notification to their students, but our students were at a disadvantage in that our schools did not provide such notice.
Allowing a longer period for obtaining and providing teacher names, for example, at least 5 school days’ time.
What we are requesting to consider for now?
Given our logical explanation that so many students missed the deadline not for the lack of trying or caring but rather simply as a culmination of several factors such as the short deadline, limited communications on the deadline and the implications, and different circumstances that each of these kids and families were under during that one week, we request that the admissions committee reconsider the applications of these deserving, qualified students.
We have talked with our children’s teachers and they are willing to honor Feb 11th deadline;
and
Given that teachers are ready to meet the deadline, please allow students to take the Feb 9th test while teachers complete recommendations by the Feb 11th deadline.
After all, 'to err is human'! Should the kids be punished so harshly for missing out on this step in the big scheme things in this year-long application process? They should not be judged for their character, intellect, their quest to excellence and suitability to TJ on this one aspect. They should not given a message that their GPA,, test scores, their hard work in their last 10 years of schooling, and everything else mean nothing in light of this one deadline to obtain teacher names. We sincerely hope you will be able to provide the right answers and make the right calls in light of our above explanations.

Thank you for taking time to review our petition!

Sincerely,

Concerned parents (on behalf of the bright, potential TJ students)


CC: FCPS Board Members


So you had a full week?

Not fair to those who followed the process.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Dear TJHSST admissions officials and FCPS Board Members,

Sub: Petition to allow TJ semi-finalists to take final test; who missed to provide teacher names by Jan 25th deadline because of short time to react due to school closures and other compelling reasons

We are a group of parents whose kids were all excited about doing everything required of them to apply to TJHSST. They have been working on the application process since last year, starting with the information sessions, then completing the applications, taking the tests, and finally receiving the much awaited semi-finalist decisions. On Jan 18th, our kids received the happy news that they made it to the next round. They immediately started to mentally prepare for the next assessment.

Unfortunately, the excitement didn't last long. In the excitement, they missed noticing the Jan. 25 deadline for submitting the two teacher names needed for teacher recommendations. As they were awaiting the email for the next assessment venue, date and time, it became clear on Jan 26th or soon after that they had missed this crucial deadline when their peers were discussing about submitting the teacher names for the recommendation letters. This was such a crushing discovery for them that it is going to take some time to recover from it after all the things they did right to get to that point.

Why the Jan 25th deadline was harsh and unfair?
In hindsight, we can now see that the deadline was stated in the semi-finalist communication, and it was also listed in the Important Dates in the application process. However, we believe that enforcing this deadline and rejecting students s who otherwise done everything right to become the semi-finalist in this process is harsh and unfair for the following reasons:

The deadline for submitting the names was little less than 3 school days after the Jan 18th notification date. Further, Jan 21st was the MLK holiday, Jan 22nd was 2 hour school delay because of weather, and 25th was a student holiday. Jan 24th was second grading period ending date.
Less than 3 days’ time is too short to talk with teachers and obtain their permission to provide their names, especially considering that it was also the end of the grading period and therefore a very busy week both for teachers and students.
Without having known beforehand what would be required for the next steps following semi-finalist announcement, how it would be communicated and to whom, it was extremely hard to plan, keep track and fulfill the demands from this short week in the middle the complex application process through the period Sep 2018 to Jan 25th.
The only other time the kids and parents could have paid close attention to this Jan 25th deadline prior to the Jan 18th notification letter was when they submitted their applications last Sept.
However, we don't recall of any option to enter the teacher names in the application portal prior to Jan 18th.
It was nearly impossible to visualize, track, and enter the teacher names when the students were preoccupied with the anticipation of the semi-finalist decisions and the upcoming Essay/SIS Administration.
Why the Jan 25th deadline was easy to miss unlike others?
We as the parents totally understand the need for deadlines and having the prerequisites met before moving forward to the next stage of the applications. At the same time, looking at all other steps involved in the whole application process, it is hard to understand the rationale behind the strict 1-week deadline.The communication on this was extremely limited and inconspicuous:
The only trigger was the Jan 18th email to check the decision
The email didn't mention the impending crucial deadline
There was no clear indication in the email or on the application site warning the students that they must provide the teacher names by Jan 25th or else their application would be cancelled even though they qualified as semi-finalist
Fewer than 3 school days were provided to get consent of teachers and provide their names in the busy second grading period ending week
While some middle school counselors sent out reminder emails to their students to provide teacher names, our students are unfortunately not at those schools
TJ prep centers monitor these deadlines carefully and notify students about this critical deadlines but some of our students are not at those prep centers
A semi-finalist would have to be aware that he or she needed to login to see any indication of the above deadline or its implications whatsoever;
It is too easy to miss to the notification and impending short deadline given that families are dealing with ailments, family or work related issues (such as the government shutdown), single parents dealing with everything, no proper internet connectivity during vacations, etc.
Some of the affected students had web site accessibility issues and was kicked out 4PM sharp on 1/25
One student could attend school only one day between Jan 18 and 25 due to health issues, making it impossible to obtain consent from teachers to provide their names to TJ. Another student was dealing with stressful family situation.
It is extremely unfortunate that such a crucial communication that would jeopardize the entire application process was not highlighted more clearly. These students have otherwise demonstrated that they are very smart, dedicated, diligent, high achievers. To disqualify them solely on the basis of the Jan. 25 deadline does a disservice to them and to TJ.

What we are requesting to consider for future admissions?
We sincerely believe that disqualification solely on the basis of the Jan 25th deadline is completely unfair to the kids who worked so hard and are so eager to be part of such a great learning environment. In future, a better approach to obtaining teacher recommendation from the students in the semi-finalist group could be achieved by several other means, such as:.
Making it clear at the start of the process that semi-finalists will have to provide teacher names for recommendations as of a given date.
Allowing the students to enter the teacher names ahead in the portal but only submit it to the teachers of the semi-finalists.
Ensuring TJ notifies the semi-finalists and parents of next steps and deadlines in an email. As noted, some of the other middle schools provided email notification to their students, but our students were at a disadvantage in that our schools did not provide such notice.
Allowing a longer period for obtaining and providing teacher names, for example, at least 5 school days’ time.
What we are requesting to consider for now?
Given our logical explanation that so many students missed the deadline not for the lack of trying or caring but rather simply as a culmination of several factors such as the short deadline, limited communications on the deadline and the implications, and different circumstances that each of these kids and families were under during that one week, we request that the admissions committee reconsider the applications of these deserving, qualified students.
We have talked with our children’s teachers and they are willing to honor Feb 11th deadline;
and
Given that teachers are ready to meet the deadline, please allow students to take the Feb 9th test while teachers complete recommendations by the Feb 11th deadline.
After all, 'to err is human'! Should the kids be punished so harshly for missing out on this step in the big scheme things in this year-long application process? They should not be judged for their character, intellect, their quest to excellence and suitability to TJ on this one aspect. They should not given a message that their GPA,, test scores, their hard work in their last 10 years of schooling, and everything else mean nothing in light of this one deadline to obtain teacher names. We sincerely hope you will be able to provide the right answers and make the right calls in light of our above explanations.

Thank you for taking time to review our petition!

Sincerely,

Concerned parents (on behalf of the bright, potential TJ students)


CC: FCPS Board Members


This letter is WAY too long and WAY too whiny.

They are probably thanking their lucky stars that you missed the deadline.
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