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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

It actually was. Had the cameraman not gotten the rope loose, it would have severed Ashton's foot. He could have bled out and died before they could get to him.

What??
OF COURSE it was that life threatening!

You've obviously never sailed before, so please believe me when I tell you they weren't exaggerating... this had the potential to turn into a fatality quickly. .

The tender (smaller boat) has a bow line (the white line) that has a loop on the end & that's tied to a stern line from the yacht (the black line). The purpose of this set up is to tow the tender behind the yacht.

As the yacht moves forward, the two connected lines lose their slack and the tender will not be towed until the line is completely tense.

Ashton’s foot is entangled between these two lines when he was standing on the water side of the lines (a HUGE no-no).
Ashton got dragged into the water because as the yacht moves forward, his foot gets stuck mid way on the line... he is therefore mid way on the line.

If Ashton were not attached, the line would not be in the water and you would just see a line between the yacht and the tender (imagine a water skier). However, what happened was as the tender was moving away from the yacht, the incredible amount of force between the lines dragged him into the water & under.

The concern was less about him drowning (although he very well could have as the line would have been above the water, which would force the weight of his head & upper body down belowthe water (essentially he'd be hanging by his foot upside down).

The urgency was due to his foot being no more than 30 SECONDS away from being cut off by the massive force created by the tensions from the lines & bleeding out would have been inevitable & unstoppable. If not for the quick thinking of the camera man, this absolutely, one million percent would have ended in tragedy.

Not only did "I'm a boat captain" Rhylee simply call a "man overboard" which implies that someone simply fell in AND it's nowhere near as urgent as what was actually happening (which is the exact reason the crew looks like they were moving in slow motion), but she also turned her back on Ashton! Number one rule for man overboard is you NEVER take your eyes off of the person who went over, because if the boat is still moving & they're stuck under the water, you'll never find them again.

The majority of boats, yachts, etc with crew on board keep a machete by the lines at all times, for just such an emergency as this. Thankfully there was still some slack in the lines, which allowed the cameraman to simply unravel them.
If those lines were already taut, unraveling them would have been useless & Ashton would most likely have died.

[Anonymous]

PP that is a great explanation. I was surprised that Rhylee seemed to stand by and watch Ashton and it was the camera man who unwound the line. I know we really can’t predict how we would act in a crisis, but as such an experienced boat captain, I would think that would have been the first thing she did.

Also, what was the command that she should have used? Or was it just the calmness in her voice that didn’t make people react quickly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP that is a great explanation. I was surprised that Rhylee seemed to stand by and watch Ashton and it was the camera man who unwound the line. I know we really can’t predict how we would act in a crisis, but as such an experienced boat captain, I would think that would have been the first thing she did.

Also, what was the command that she should have used? Or was it just the calmness in her voice that didn’t make people react quickly?

She, according to Captain Lee, should have said it at least three times, and conveyed to him that he should have stopped the engine. Captain Lee did not understand based on her calm "Man overboard" that he hadn't just fallen in, but was tangled and possibly going to lose a foot and then die. She should have explained the situation.

#ThankGoodnessForBrent

[Anonymous]

Did anyone see WWHL last night? They had Ashton on. He is clearly still very shaken up by the experience (understandably). At one point, Andy asked him who would he NOT want to work with again. Without any hesitation, he answered Rhylee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

It actually was. Had the cameraman not gotten the rope loose, it would have severed Ashton's foot. He could have bled out and died before they could get to him.

What??
OF COURSE it was that life threatening!

You've obviously never sailed before, so please believe me when I tell you they weren't exaggerating... this had the potential to turn into a fatality quickly. .

The tender (smaller boat) has a bow line (the white line) that has a loop on the end & that's tied to a stern line from the yacht (the black line). The purpose of this set up is to tow the tender behind the yacht.

As the yacht moves forward, the two connected lines lose their slack and the tender will not be towed until the line is completely tense.

Ashton’s foot is entangled between these two lines when he was standing on the water side of the lines (a HUGE no-no).
Ashton got dragged into the water because as the yacht moves forward, his foot gets stuck mid way on the line... he is therefore mid way on the line.

If Ashton were not attached, the line would not be in the water and you would just see a line between the yacht and the tender (imagine a water skier). However, what happened was as the tender was moving away from the yacht, the incredible amount of force between the lines dragged him into the water & under.

The concern was less about him drowning (although he very well could have as the line would have been above the water, which would force the weight of his head & upper body down belowthe water (essentially he'd be hanging by his foot upside down).

The urgency was due to his foot being no more than 30 SECONDS away from being cut off by the massive force created by the tensions from the lines & bleeding out would have been inevitable & unstoppable. If not for the quick thinking of the camera man, this absolutely, one million percent would have ended in tragedy.

Not only did "I'm a boat captain" Rhylee simply call a "man overboard" which implies that someone simply fell in AND it's nowhere near as urgent as what was actually happening (which is the exact reason the crew looks like they were moving in slow motion), but she also turned her back on Ashton! Number one rule for man overboard is you NEVER take your eyes off of the person who went over, because if the boat is still moving & they're stuck under the water, you'll never find them again.

The majority of boats, yachts, etc with crew on board keep a machete by the lines at all times, for just such an emergency as this. Thankfully there was still some slack in the lines, which allowed the cameraman to simply unravel them.
If those lines were already taut, unraveling them would have been useless & Ashton would most likely have died.

This was a GREAT explanation, PP! Thank you. The situation was very grave. Fortunately the cameraman, Brent, did what it takes to help save Ashton. There are actually quite a few cameramen who, in similar situations, would not have leapt forward to help. And, yes, on most well-equipped boats, a heavy machete or cleaver is more important to have than a life preserver or a fire extinguisher. We race sailboats and the first thing we do before setting out is to secure the throw preservers but also to make sure that the heavy knife is tacked to its spot in the cockpit in case we need to cut a line.

[Anonymous]

Reminding me of when the NY Housewives were on that boat in the storm. One of them said they heard an alarm and saw a man with a machete. They had to cut the lines to the anchor so the boat wouldn't capsize. Wondering why they wouldn't have something like that considering they tow that tinder the whole time.

[Anonymous]

Ashton is a hottie, but I love me some Ross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

It actually was. Had the cameraman not gotten the rope loose, it would have severed Ashton's foot. He could have bled out and died before they could get to him.

What??
OF COURSE it was that life threatening!

You've obviously never sailed before, so please believe me when I tell you they weren't exaggerating... this had the potential to turn into a fatality quickly. .

The tender (smaller boat) has a bow line (the white line) that has a loop on the end & that's tied to a stern line from the yacht (the black line). The purpose of this set up is to tow the tender behind the yacht.

As the yacht moves forward, the two connected lines lose their slack and the tender will not be towed until the line is completely tense.

Ashton’s foot is entangled between these two lines when he was standing on the water side of the lines (a HUGE no-no).
Ashton got dragged into the water because as the yacht moves forward, his foot gets stuck mid way on the line... he is therefore mid way on the line.

If Ashton were not attached, the line would not be in the water and you would just see a line between the yacht and the tender (imagine a water skier). However, what happened was as the tender was moving away from the yacht, the incredible amount of force between the lines dragged him into the water & under.

The concern was less about him drowning (although he very well could have as the line would have been above the water, which would force the weight of his head & upper body down belowthe water (essentially he'd be hanging by his foot upside down).

The urgency was due to his foot being no more than 30 SECONDS away from being cut off by the massive force created by the tensions from the lines & bleeding out would have been inevitable & unstoppable. If not for the quick thinking of the camera man, this absolutely, one million percent would have ended in tragedy.

Not only did "I'm a boat captain" Rhylee simply call a "man overboard" which implies that someone simply fell in AND it's nowhere near as urgent as what was actually happening (which is the exact reason the crew looks like they were moving in slow motion), but she also turned her back on Ashton! Number one rule for man overboard is you NEVER take your eyes off of the person who went over, because if the boat is still moving & they're stuck under the water, you'll never find them again.

The majority of boats, yachts, etc with crew on board keep a machete by the lines at all times, for just such an emergency as this. Thankfully there was still some slack in the lines, which allowed the cameraman to simply unravel them.
If those lines were already taut, unraveling them would have been useless & Ashton would most likely have died.

This was a GREAT explanation, PP! Thank you. The situation was very grave. Fortunately the cameraman, Brent, did what it takes to help save Ashton. There are actually quite a few cameramen who, in similar situations, would not have leapt forward to help. And, yes, on most well-equipped boats, a heavy machete or cleaver is more important to have than a life preserver or a fire extinguisher. We race sailboats and the first thing we do before setting out is to secure the throw preservers but also to make sure that the heavy knife is tacked to its spot in the cockpit in case we need to cut a line.

Thank you!
Coming from someone who races sailboats, that's a huge compliment.

I just re-read my post & honestly didn't mean to sound so exasperated when I wrote it, lol.
Water is one of nature's most wondrous & deadliest forces.
The moment you stop having respect for this beautiful element (especially open water), is the moment it will snuff you out like a candle... that easily.
I grew up on boats my entire life, am a very strong swimmer & was a lifeguard all through out college, so I've been involved in a few too many near death rescues. I also wanted the poster who was cynically questioning the validity of this situations urgency to know, that this was one instance where Bravo definitely was NOT amping up the drama for ratings.

I agree with the pp's above me... I also questioned how someone who professes to be such a serious boat captain as Rhylee claims; didn't know to call man overboard three times quickly & state "Ashton (or crew) is caught in the lines" with a sense of urgency.
I understand that this was a highly pressurized, stressful situation, however this is something that's so engrained & enmeshed into anyone who makes their living boating, it should have been second nature to her without any hesitation.

It's literally Boating 101.

To put it in another perspective...
The Captain is looking forward (the bow) and assumes the deck crew is nowhere near the water side of the lines that they could conceivably have a line wrapped around their leg. So, it's no wonder Captain Lee was so shaken up & felt so badly.
Based on Riley's call alone, the Captain would have ZERO clue that
by powering forward, he was in the process of killing a crew member based on Ryleigh's calm "man overboard" warning (contrary to what some have speculated, yachts are built differently than power boats & Ashton couldn't have gotten sucked into the propellar from the rear).

Captain Lee did the right thing; he heard the call, placed the engines into neutral (which is cutting the engine on a boat) and then asked "what happened?"
This is protocol for a "man overboard", but she should have given him the pertinent info with the warning call.

I hope he chews her ass out at the reunion for this AND turning her back on Ashton. In what alternative universe does a boat captain or any crew member for that matter, turn their back on a man overboard & lose your only indication as to where they were last.

Oh, btw... I read that not only did the camera man release the lines, but he dove right into the water without hesitation to save Ashton as soon as he was done releasing the lines.
Meanwhile, there was Rhyleigh... standing in the way of the true heroes & as dry as a bone.

[Anonymous]

This might be a dumb question, but I thought I remembered from watching Deadliest Catch that they always have a knife so they can quickly cut the line in that situation. Maybe untying was just faster in this situation? IDK but it does seem like Riley just stood there.


Also the episode of Deadliest Catch where the guy from another boat goes in the water and the DC boat rescues them is still the best television that's ever been made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

I think it was the potential to have been so bad that they were drumming up. Because what did occur could have been so so much worse.

It did seem like everyone was reacting very slowly. If you hear man overboard wouldn the crew coming running? Kate was casually strolling with the life preserver.

And the articles that were written in advance said that Ashton’s foot was almost severed. Um if you were to hypothesize about the worst case, sure. But that is most definitely not what happened...

The rest of the season looks great. I love that the new stew goes after Kate. And who was the man whore doing someone on the deck? I thought it was Ashton, but is it the new deckhand?

I actually thought that made sense, because maybe you're not supposed to run on a boat?

[Anonymous]

I also don’t understand how Rhylee can be a captain and not understand grunt work. My only other boating experience is deadliest catch but it is clear on that show that the newest member (greenhorn) will be making bait bags and doing crap work. I have even seen experienced people on that show be the newest member on the boat so they get the crap jobs. Same as that new stew. She is third stew. Third stew does laundry and turndowns. Why does Rhylee think she should get to do better stuff? Or be rude about it? It is super strange because she should understand how it works.

[Anonymous]

Thank you!
Coming from someone who races sailboats, that's a huge compliment.

I just re-read my post & honestly didn't mean to sound so exasperated when I wrote it, lol.
Water is one of nature's most wondrous & deadliest forces.
The moment you stop having respect for this beautiful element (especially open water), is the moment it will snuff you out like a candle... that easily.
I grew up on boats my entire life, am a very strong swimmer & was a lifeguard all through out college, so I've been involved in a few too many near death rescues. I also wanted the poster who was cynically questioning the validity of this situations urgency to know, that this was one instance where Bravo definitely was NOT amping up the drama for ratings.

I agree with the pp's above me... I also questioned how someone who professes to be such a serious boat captain as Rhylee claims; didn't know to call man overboard three times quickly & state "Ashton (or crew) is caught in the lines" with a sense of urgency.
I understand that this was a highly pressurized, stressful situation, however this is something that's so engrained & enmeshed into anyone who makes their living boating, it should have been second nature to her without any hesitation.

It's literally Boating 101.

To put it in another perspective...
The Captain is looking forward (the bow) and assumes the deck crew is nowhere near the water side of the lines that they could conceivably have a line wrapped around their leg. So, it's no wonder Captain Lee was so shaken up & felt so badly.
Based on Riley's call alone, the Captain would have ZERO clue that
by powering forward, he was in the process of killing a crew member based on Ryleigh's calm "man overboard" warning (contrary to what some have speculated, yachts are built differently than power boats & Ashton couldn't have gotten sucked into the propellar from the rear).

Captain Lee did the right thing; he heard the call, placed the engines into neutral (which is cutting the engine on a boat) and then asked "what happened?"
This is protocol for a "man overboard", but she should have given him the pertinent info with the warning call.

I hope he chews her ass out at the reunion for this AND turning her back on Ashton. In what alternative universe does a boat captain or any crew member for that matter, turn their back on a man overboard & lose your only indication as to where they were last.

Oh, btw... I read that not only did the camera man release the lines, but he dove right into the water without hesitation to save Ashton as soon as he was done releasing the lines.
Meanwhile, there was Rhyleigh... standing in the way of the true heroes & as dry as a bone.

Captain Lee absolutely did the right thing but Rhylee's behavior was appalling. She should have been fired on the spot. Even in neutral the boat still had a tremendous amount of momentum going forward so the pressure on the line would not ease substantially. Rhylee makes no move to help the cameraman, she doesn't run to get a pole to reach out to Ashton, she doesn't jump in the water with any help, she just stands there like a big dullard. If I were a member of that crew I would feel completely unsafe with her on board. The camera man, Brent (is that his name?), I would go to the moon and back with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

I think it was the potential to have been so bad that they were drumming up. Because what did occur could have been so so much worse.

It did seem like everyone was reacting very slowly. If you hear man overboard wouldn the crew coming running? Kate was casually strolling with the life preserver.

And the articles that were written in advance said that Ashton’s foot was almost severed. Um if you were to hypothesize about the worst case, sure. But that is most definitely not what happened...

The rest of the season looks great. I love that the new stew goes after Kate. And who was the man whore doing someone on the deck? I thought it was Ashton, but is it the new deckhand?

I actually thought that made sense, because maybe you're not supposed to run on a boat?

If running makes the difference between someone living and someone dying, then you better RUN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

It actually was. Had the cameraman not gotten the rope loose, it would have severed Ashton's foot. He could have bled out and died before they could get to him.

What??
OF COURSE it was that life threatening!

You've obviously never sailed before, so please believe me when I tell you they weren't exaggerating... this had the potential to turn into a fatality quickly. .

The tender (smaller boat) has a bow line (the white line) that has a loop on the end & that's tied to a stern line from the yacht (the black line). The purpose of this set up is to tow the tender behind the yacht.

As the yacht moves forward, the two connected lines lose their slack and the tender will not be towed until the line is completely tense.

Ashton’s foot is entangled between these two lines when he was standing on the water side of the lines (a HUGE no-no).
Ashton got dragged into the water because as the yacht moves forward, his foot gets stuck mid way on the line... he is therefore mid way on the line.

If Ashton were not attached, the line would not be in the water and you would just see a line between the yacht and the tender (imagine a water skier). However, what happened was as the tender was moving away from the yacht, the incredible amount of force between the lines dragged him into the water & under.

The concern was less about him drowning (although he very well could have as the line would have been above the water, which would force the weight of his head & upper body down belowthe water (essentially he'd be hanging by his foot upside down).

The urgency was due to his foot being no more than 30 SECONDS away from being cut off by the massive force created by the tensions from the lines & bleeding out would have been inevitable & unstoppable. If not for the quick thinking of the camera man, this absolutely, one million percent would have ended in tragedy.

Not only did "I'm a boat captain" Rhylee simply call a "man overboard" which implies that someone simply fell in AND it's nowhere near as urgent as what was actually happening (which is the exact reason the crew looks like they were moving in slow motion), but she also turned her back on Ashton! Number one rule for man overboard is you NEVER take your eyes off of the person who went over, because if the boat is still moving & they're stuck under the water, you'll never find them again.

The majority of boats, yachts, etc with crew on board keep a machete by the lines at all times, for just such an emergency as this. Thankfully there was still some slack in the lines, which allowed the cameraman to simply unravel them.
If those lines were already taut, unraveling them would have been useless & Ashton would most likely have died.

This was a GREAT explanation, PP! Thank you. The situation was very grave. Fortunately the cameraman, Brent, did what it takes to help save Ashton. There are actually quite a few cameramen who, in similar situations, would not have leapt forward to help. And, yes, on most well-equipped boats, a heavy machete or cleaver is more important to have than a life preserver or a fire extinguisher. We race sailboats and the first thing we do before setting out is to secure the throw preservers but also to make sure that the heavy knife is tacked to its spot in the cockpit in case we need to cut a line.

Thank you!
Coming from someone who races sailboats, that's a huge compliment.

I just re-read my post & honestly didn't mean to sound so exasperated when I wrote it, lol.
Water is one of nature's most wondrous & deadliest forces.
The moment you stop having respect for this beautiful element (especially open water), is the moment it will snuff you out like a candle... that easily.
I grew up on boats my entire life, am a very strong swimmer & was a lifeguard all through out college, so I've been involved in a few too many near death rescues. I also wanted the poster who was cynically questioning the validity of this situations urgency to know, that this was one instance where Bravo definitely was NOT amping up the drama for ratings.

I agree with the pp's above me... I also questioned how someone who professes to be such a serious boat captain as Rhylee claims; didn't know to call man overboard three times quickly & state "Ashton (or crew) is caught in the lines" with a sense of urgency.
I understand that this was a highly pressurized, stressful situation, however this is something that's so engrained & enmeshed into anyone who makes their living boating, it should have been second nature to her without any hesitation.

It's literally Boating 101.

To put it in another perspective...
The Captain is looking forward (the bow) and assumes the deck crew is nowhere near the water side of the lines that they could conceivably have a line wrapped around their leg. So, it's no wonder Captain Lee was so shaken up & felt so badly.
Based on Riley's call alone, the Captain would have ZERO clue that
by powering forward, he was in the process of killing a crew member based on Ryleigh's calm "man overboard" warning (contrary to what some have speculated, yachts are built differently than power boats & Ashton couldn't have gotten sucked into the propellar from the rear).

Captain Lee did the right thing; he heard the call, placed the engines into neutral (which is cutting the engine on a boat) and then asked "what happened?"
This is protocol for a "man overboard", but she should have given him the pertinent info with the warning call.

I hope he chews her ass out at the reunion for this AND turning her back on Ashton. In what alternative universe does a boat captain or any crew member for that matter, turn their back on a man overboard & lose your only indication as to where they were last.

Oh, btw... I read that not only did the camera man release the lines, but he dove right into the water without hesitation to save Ashton as soon as he was done releasing the lines.
Meanwhile, there was Rhyleigh... standing in the way of the true heroes & as dry as a bone.

YES, a machete... thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

I think it was the potential to have been so bad that they were drumming up. Because what did occur could have been so so much worse.

It did seem like everyone was reacting very slowly. If you hear man overboard wouldn the crew coming running? Kate was casually strolling with the life preserver.

And the articles that were written in advance said that Ashton’s foot was almost severed. Um if you were to hypothesize about the worst case, sure. But that is most definitely not what happened...

The rest of the season looks great. I love that the new stew goes after Kate. And who was the man whore doing someone on the deck? I thought it was Ashton, but is it the new deckhand?

I actually thought that made sense, because maybe you're not supposed to run on a boat?

If running makes the difference between someone living and someone dying, then you better RUN!

+1 And there have been plenty of scenes before where the deck crew is running. Usually to prevent damage - like the season where the boat was docked with the engines on and Captain Lee was out of the wheelhouse. The gear box malfunctioned and the boat started moving forward while it was still tied to the dock. They almost ripped a pylon out of the water before Captain Lee was able to cut the engines.