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Anonymous wrote:Kate is a really terrible manager but this crossed the line to abusive and I thought the Caroline bullying rose to the level that the Captain fell short by not noticing/dealing with it. At a minimum, he should be instituting new routines with Kate's reports including the new stew to make sure nothing like that is going on. It doesn't matter if she was a basket case or whatever. Kate was her boss. Boss first. And she sucked at it - utterly unprofessional.

Chandler just sucked too. I hate business management shit as much as the next person but Chandler and Kate are two people with no business running a team. They draw their power from the wrong places. That's what went wrong with Chandler that night out where he went nuts and then tried to punish his team with an early start, and that's what went wrong with Kate when Caroline wasn't performing and instead of managing her to improvement, Kate just made the situation untenable.

I agree. I hated watching Chandler as much as I hated the rhoided up bro who was the bosun with Bobby and another female deck crew member. There is a lot of sexism on the boats though. I would never work for Kate or someone like her. She is endlessly snide and from the first season made it clear she is jealous of the guests as she expected to have their lives.

I can't believe Caroline's age and thought she didn't handle things well but through all the seasons the lowest ranked crew are generally treated horribly. The crew know they are "actors" brought on for reasons other than having potential to be good at the job. It has to be grating.

What surprises me most is that I thought this season they had the strongest crew I'd seen. Initially it appeared everyone had lots of experience.

Me, too. They looked like the dream team in the beginning before the first charter. That dinner in the water with the stingrays and sharks swimming around looked very cool.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and Josiah acted like bitchy BFFs all season and were cutting Carolyn out of things, making her feel like the odd man out. Lying around in one bunk and chatting, eating Cheetos, and then calling her in for "meetings"? Puh-leez. Very mean.

Rylee is pissed because they perpetually don't let her work in ways she knows she can contribute. She runs fishing charters in some of the hardest-to-handle waters, and here they have her cleaning nonstop. That's part of what contributes to her bad attitude. Sure, she could definitely handle it better, but part of being a good leader is using your people appropriately.

+1 Kate and Josiah became a clique so to speak. Caroline was the third wheel. A little bit of kindness and respect would have gone a long way.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'll admit it. I love this show. Absolutely love it.

Rhylee - She's horrible. Her behavior, her attitude, everything about her. Her treatment of Ross sent me over the edge. I just think she's a b***. And, her treatment of Adrian. Really? He just wanted to get out of the van.

Caroline - Serious mental health issues. She's had them all season long. Unfortunately, I agree with Kate. When you are on a small team and one person is out all the time, it's really hard on the rest of the team. Seriously, 10 minutes for drinks for guests? The broken glass? Come on.

Ashton - He's hot and really fun to watch. I do think Rhylee was pissed that he was hooking up with some chick.

Kate - I do like her. I think she can be mean, but generally it's when people are incompetent or are holding her back. I get it. I would agree with the manager stuff other people have posted about, but she works well with Josiah. So, I think it is more about who's a good worker for her.

Chandler - I can't believe the madness that was happening for far too long. He really needed to go.

Agree with all of the above!

Poor Rylee, she needs to work on how to be quiet when she's getting fingered, then she wouldn't be so uptight.

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Anonymous wrote:Caroline is 34 years old. I was shocked by that. I assumed she was a 22 year old with mental health issues who had never worked before. She’s 34.

I was surprised too.

She's a piece of work -- a liar and lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess Josiah is kinda boring bc no one has mentioned him at all.

Aside from being catty with Kate, Josiah seems to work very hard, and his work appears to be impeccable. No drama about his work!

He was in complicit with Kate with blasting the music outside Caroline's door. Yes, Caroline shouldn't have given her 2 days' notice and then changed her mind (without sharing it with her boss and co-worker) and decided to not work and just veg out), but as a boss, Kate shouldn't have blasted the music like that and said you have one hour to get out. She should have realized the door was locked and told Caroline that was against the rules, if she wasn't going back to work she needed to pack up and leave and if Caroline didn't she should have told the Captain when he returned. I thought that Ross was amazing the way he listened to Caroline and later said he didn't agree with the bullying. It WAS bullying. I like Kate but don't like how mean she was to Caroline. She's a boss for goodness sake. If I got caught talking behind someone's back who I managed, I'd be contrite and embarrassed. Kate was neither.

Caroline was ignoring them. They ratcheted things up when she locked the door and ignored them.

While their behavior was poor, Caroline's was equally bad and neither side is right. Caroline then went upstairs and lied to the Captain. Which was not the first time she told a blatant lie. She has problems and is a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:Caroline is 34 years old. I was shocked by that. I assumed she was a 22 year old with mental health issues who had never worked before. She’s 34.

I was surprised too.

She's a piece of work -- a liar and lazy.

Very unprofessional for her to quit with no notice and she seems to be genuinely delusional.

Rhylee is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess Josiah is kinda boring bc no one has mentioned him at all.

Aside from being catty with Kate, Josiah seems to work very hard, and his work appears to be impeccable. No drama about his work!

He was in complicit with Kate with blasting the music outside Caroline's door. Yes, Caroline shouldn't have given her 2 days' notice and then changed her mind (without sharing it with her boss and co-worker) and decided to not work and just veg out), but as a boss, Kate shouldn't have blasted the music like that and said you have one hour to get out. She should have realized the door was locked and told Caroline that was against the rules, if she wasn't going back to work she needed to pack up and leave and if Caroline didn't she should have told the Captain when he returned. I thought that Ross was amazing the way he listened to Caroline and later said he didn't agree with the bullying. It WAS bullying. I like Kate but don't like how mean she was to Caroline. She's a boss for goodness sake. If I got caught talking behind someone's back who I managed, I'd be contrite and embarrassed. Kate was neither.

Caroline was ignoring them. They ratcheted things up when she locked the door and ignored them.

While their behavior was poor, Caroline's was equally bad and neither side is right. Caroline then went upstairs and lied to the Captain. Which was not the first time she told a blatant lie. She has problems and is a liar.

NEither side is right? Kate is a superior. That means she needs to rise above the fray, not join it. She had no right to blast the music like that and scream that she had an hour to get out. She could calmly tell her to leave and if that failed, report it to the captain. Kate WAS catty and talking behind her back all season.

What lie did Caroline tell?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess Josiah is kinda boring bc no one has mentioned him at all.

Aside from being catty with Kate, Josiah seems to work very hard, and his work appears to be impeccable. No drama about his work!

He was in complicit with Kate with blasting the music outside Caroline's door. Yes, Caroline shouldn't have given her 2 days' notice and then changed her mind (without sharing it with her boss and co-worker) and decided to not work and just veg out), but as a boss, Kate shouldn't have blasted the music like that and said you have one hour to get out. She should have realized the door was locked and told Caroline that was against the rules, if she wasn't going back to work she needed to pack up and leave and if Caroline didn't she should have told the Captain when he returned. I thought that Ross was amazing the way he listened to Caroline and later said he didn't agree with the bullying. It WAS bullying. I like Kate but don't like how mean she was to Caroline. She's a boss for goodness sake. If I got caught talking behind someone's back who I managed, I'd be contrite and embarrassed. Kate was neither.

Caroline was ignoring them. They ratcheted things up when she locked the door and ignored them.

While their behavior was poor, Caroline's was equally bad and neither side is right. Caroline then went upstairs and lied to the Captain. Which was not the first time she told a blatant lie. She has problems and is a liar.

NEither side is right? Kate is a superior. That means she needs to rise above the fray, not join it. She had no right to blast the music like that and scream that she had an hour to get out. She could calmly tell her to leave and if that failed, report it to the captain. Kate WAS catty and talking behind her back all season.

What lie did Caroline tell?

Kate did initially tell her to leave calmly. When Caroline refused to acknowledge them, kept the door locked, and lazed about, then Kate yelled that she had an hour to vacate the premises. When that failed, then they blasted the music.

What should have happened, was when Caroline refused to work and said she changed her mind about the last two days, Josiah/Kate/Captain Lee should have entered her cabin, waited while she packed up her things, and escorted her off the boat.

The lie Caroline told was about providing a one-sided version of what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess Josiah is kinda boring bc no one has mentioned him at all.

He's boring. I'm bored just watching be competent and uneventful. He's mean to Caroline but not in an exciting way.

[Anonymous]

Thanks to the PP about the accident. It was scary to watch. But, really? "To be continued …"? Bravo, that is a new low.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to the PP about the accident. It was scary to watch. But, really? "To be continued …"? Bravo, that is a new low.

I too was completely annoyed by that move. They have been dragging it out for almost 3 episodes now plus this week's was titled "Man Overboard." Uh not really cause they did not show anything but a snip-it. Did anyone see Ross, Captian Lee and Rhylee on watch what happens? Ashton was supposed to be on instead of Cap. Lee but since they did not air the incident yet they didn't have on. The look on Cap. Lee's face whenever Rhylee talked looked as if she just irritates him and he does not like her much.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to the PP about the accident. It was scary to watch. But, really? "To be continued …"? Bravo, that is a new low.

Yeah, we've seen that same scene over and over again in teasers. This episode was definitely NOT man overboard - more like Bravo-overboard. It was just another commercial.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to the PP about the accident. It was scary to watch. But, really? "To be continued …"? Bravo, that is a new low.

I too was completely annoyed by that move. They have been dragging it out for almost 3 episodes now plus this week's was titled "Man Overboard." Uh not really cause they did not show anything but a snip-it. Did anyone see Ross, Captian Lee and Rhylee on watch what happens? Ashton was supposed to be on instead of Cap. Lee but since they did not air the incident yet they didn't have on. The look on Cap. Lee's face whenever Rhylee talked looked as if she just irritates him and he does not like her much.

+1 I thought the same thing about the look on his face. I agree it didn't seem like he likes her or respects her much.

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Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, was the accident honestly that life threatening? Oh Bravo.

I think it was the potential to have been so bad that they were drumming up. Because what did occur could have been so so much worse.

It did seem like everyone was reacting very slowly. If you hear man overboard wouldn the crew coming running? Kate was casually strolling with the life preserver.

And the articles that were written in advance said that Ashton’s foot was almost severed. Um if you were to hypothesize about the worst case, sure. But that is most definitely not what happened...

The rest of the season looks great. I love that the new stew goes after Kate. And who was the man whore doing someone on the deck? I thought it was Ashton, but is it the new deckhand?