Swim Team Coach/Parent Etiquette

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nearly impossible to step up from BB straight to AA-AAA but she could be well an A now, after summer. You need to have her first meet results to discuss with current team. But if she already had all BB as a 9 yo (which is strong) then you don’t need to wait for new meet to start looking for back-up options. You can already find a transfer option and have it in your sleeve when you go to that meeting

There are around only 3 seconds in her strong races between her times last December during short course season and AA times. It isn’t hard at this age to knock off 3 seconds. I’ve timed her during their fun relays during practice and she is there.

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There are no such events in USA swimming 10&under girls times where a difference between BB and AA would be 3 sec. it’s about 5 sec for all 50s ( 7 sec for breast); about 15-20 sec for 100s
You are either from another country or you are looking at single age standards for 9yo, which are not quite the same as 9-10 age group standards

I am looking at 2017-2020 Standards 10 & Under girls for SCM. For example 50 free, BB min is 38.89. DD’s time is 36.17. A min is 34.69. AA min is 33.29. From DD’s time to AA min is around 3 seconds.

OK, but what are her 100 and 200 free times? Maybe she's not being moved up because she has no endurance. There are lots of kids who can swim a fast 50 in summer swim, but anything beyond a 50 and they hit a major wall.

I understand. Was just giving one example. 100 free time was 1:23.11 and she didn’t do 200’s as an 8-9 yr old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nearly impossible to step up from BB straight to AA-AAA but she could be well an A now, after summer. You need to have her first meet results to discuss with current team. But if she already had all BB as a 9 yo (which is strong) then you don’t need to wait for new meet to start looking for back-up options. You can already find a transfer option and have it in your sleeve when you go to that meeting

There are around only 3 seconds in her strong races between her times last December during short course season and AA times. It isn’t hard at this age to knock off 3 seconds. I’ve timed her during their fun relays during practice and she is there.

m

There are no such events in USA swimming 10&under girls times where a difference between BB and AA would be 3 sec. it’s about 5 sec for all 50s ( 7 sec for breast); about 15-20 sec for 100s
You are either from another country or you are looking at single age standards for 9yo, which are not quite the same as 9-10 age group standards

I am looking at 2017-2020 Standards 10 & Under girls for SCM. For example 50 free, BB min is 38.89. DD’s time is 36.17. A min is 34.69. AA min is 33.29. From DD’s time to AA min is around 3 seconds.

OK, but what are her 100 and 200 free times? Maybe she's not being moved up because she has no endurance. There are lots of kids who can swim a fast 50 in summer swim, but anything beyond a 50 and they hit a major wall.

I understand. Was just giving one example. 100 free time was 1:23.11 and she didn’t do 200’s as an 8-9 yr old.

Is that SC meters, LC meters, or SC yards?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nearly impossible to step up from BB straight to AA-AAA but she could be well an A now, after summer. You need to have her first meet results to discuss with current team. But if she already had all BB as a 9 yo (which is strong) then you don’t need to wait for new meet to start looking for back-up options. You can already find a transfer option and have it in your sleeve when you go to that meeting

There are around only 3 seconds in her strong races between her times last December during short course season and AA times. It isn’t hard at this age to knock off 3 seconds. I’ve timed her during their fun relays during practice and she is there.

m

There are no such events in USA swimming 10&under girls times where a difference between BB and AA would be 3 sec. it’s about 5 sec for all 50s ( 7 sec for breast); about 15-20 sec for 100s
You are either from another country or you are looking at single age standards for 9yo, which are not quite the same as 9-10 age group standards

I am looking at 2017-2020 Standards 10 & Under girls for SCM. For example 50 free, BB min is 38.89. DD’s time is 36.17. A min is 34.69. AA min is 33.29. From DD’s time to AA min is around 3 seconds.

OK, but what are her 100 and 200 free times? Maybe she's not being moved up because she has no endurance. There are lots of kids who can swim a fast 50 in summer swim, but anything beyond a 50 and they hit a major wall.

I understand. Was just giving one example. 100 free time was 1:23.11 and she didn’t do 200’s as an 8-9 yr old.

Is that SC meters, LC meters, or SC yards?

Whatever your response, just have her swim some longer races at the first meets to show she can do that. My DD is 10 and has been swimming 200s since she was 7 or 8

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s nearly impossible to step up from BB straight to AA-AAA but she could be well an A now, after summer. You need to have her first meet results to discuss with current team. But if she already had all BB as a 9 yo (which is strong) then you don’t need to wait for new meet to start looking for back-up options. You can already find a transfer option and have it in your sleeve when you go to that meeting

There are around only 3 seconds in her strong races between her times last December during short course season and AA times. It isn’t hard at this age to knock off 3 seconds. I’ve timed her during their fun relays during practice and she is there.

m

There are no such events in USA swimming 10&under girls times where a difference between BB and AA would be 3 sec. it’s about 5 sec for all 50s ( 7 sec for breast); about 15-20 sec for 100s
You are either from another country or you are looking at single age standards for 9yo, which are not quite the same as 9-10 age group standards

I am looking at 2017-2020 Standards 10 & Under girls for SCM. For example 50 free, BB min is 38.89. DD’s time is 36.17. A min is 34.69. AA min is 33.29. From DD’s time to AA min is around 3 seconds.

OK, but what are her 100 and 200 free times? Maybe she's not being moved up because she has no endurance. There are lots of kids who can swim a fast 50 in summer swim, but anything beyond a 50 and they hit a major wall.

I understand. Was just giving one example. 100 free time was 1:23.11 and she didn’t do 200’s as an 8-9 yr old.

Is that SC meters, LC meters, or SC yards?

SCM

She doesn’t have times in the longer races, over 100m, they will come this year. Her endurance is strong though. I watched this morning during their warmup they did a 100 kick, 50 swim, backwards IM. She zipped through it and finished the set 5 minutes before the next fastest swimmer. 10 minutes before the last swimmer finished. Lapped the kids in her lane many times over. Coach noticed, told her good job... then let her sit there for 10 minutes while the rest of the group finished.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nearly impossible to step up from BB straight to AA-AAA but she could be well an A now, after summer. You need to have her first meet results to discuss with current team. But if she already had all BB as a 9 yo (which is strong) then you don’t need to wait for new meet to start looking for back-up options. You can already find a transfer option and have it in your sleeve when you go to that meeting

There are around only 3 seconds in her strong races between her times last December during short course season and AA times. It isn’t hard at this age to knock off 3 seconds. I’ve timed her during their fun relays during practice and she is there.

m

There are no such events in USA swimming 10&under girls times where a difference between BB and AA would be 3 sec. it’s about 5 sec for all 50s ( 7 sec for breast); about 15-20 sec for 100s
You are either from another country or you are looking at single age standards for 9yo, which are not quite the same as 9-10 age group standards

I am looking at 2017-2020 Standards 10 & Under girls for SCM. For example 50 free, BB min is 38.89. DD’s time is 36.17. A min is 34.69. AA min is 33.29. From DD’s time to AA min is around 3 seconds.

OK, but what are her 100 and 200 free times? Maybe she's not being moved up because she has no endurance. There are lots of kids who can swim a fast 50 in summer swim, but anything beyond a 50 and they hit a major wall.

I understand. Was just giving one example. 100 free time was 1:23.11 and she didn’t do 200’s as an 8-9 yr old.

Is that SC meters, LC meters, or SC yards?

Whatever your response, just have her swim some longer races at the first meets to show she can do that. My DD is 10 and has been swimming 200s since she was 7 or 8

I agree. Last year she was new to swimming. The coaches picked all the races. I didn’t know enough to question it.

[Anonymous]

SCM is unusual way to present times, usually used in Europe. Her converted times (not official) from last year are almost at JO/A if it’s indeed her times at 9.
100FR 1.23 SCM is strong for a 9 yo. It’s a good endurance for a 9 yo. Under no condition should she train in that group, it’s a major waste of time for her, otherwise she would indeed never be able to swim decent 200s.

What other swimmers’ parents are thinking about their kids going down from 2000 workouts to 900? Or did they move up everyone except your daughter for some reason? You didn’t get along with the head coach or something ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SCM is unusual way to present times, usually used in Europe. Her converted times (not official) from last year are almost at JO/A if it’s indeed her times at 9.
100FR 1.23 SCM is strong for a 9 yo. It’s a good endurance for a 9 yo. Under no condition should she train in that group, it’s a major waste of time for her, otherwise she would indeed never be able to swim decent 200s.

What other swimmers’ parents are thinking about their kids going down from 2000 workouts to 900? Or did they move up everyone except your daughter for some reason? You didn’t get along with the head coach or something ?

I’ve only spoken to one parent whose child was in the same group last year, she isn’t happy with what she’s seen but her DD is not a strong swimmer. She is also concerned that her DD won’t improve in this situation. I didn’t have any problems with the coach at all, neither did DD. She’s a mature well behaved kid. Other than reporting absences, and to give her a little gift at the end of the season, I barely talked to her. I don’t go on deck.
There were about 22 in the group to start off last season. I can think of roughly 5 that quit during the season or at the end of the season. 7 remain in the group. Ten moved up. They were mostly older than my DD, aged 10-13.
There were other parents present today with kids that moved up, watching DD and they thought it was ridiculous that she’s placed with this group.

[Anonymous]

I think the times provided are not real times, or the author confused SCM and SCY. There were no 9 yo with such 50FR SCM time in 2018. If her daughter indeed swam 36.11 50FR SCM at 9, she would be ranked top 20 in the US for that age. Certainly won’t have any problems switching with this time. Or the mom mistyped (SCM instead of SCY). For short course yards 36.11 is an ok average

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Anonymous wrote:I think the times provided are not real times, or the author confused SCM and SCY. There were no 9 yo with such 50FR SCM time in 2018. If her daughter indeed swam 36.11 50FR SCM at 9, she would be ranked top 20 in the US for that age. Certainly won’t have any problems switching with this time. Or the mom mistyped (SCM instead of SCY). For short course yards 36.11 is an ok average

Nope, didn’t mistype. DD has strong times but as strong as you say. I can think of quite a few girls in our club that swam 50 free between the times of 36s to 30s SCM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the times provided are not real times, or the author confused SCM and SCY. There were no 9 yo with such 50FR SCM time in 2018. If her daughter indeed swam 36.11 50FR SCM at 9, she would be ranked top 20 in the US for that age. Certainly won’t have any problems switching with this time. Or the mom mistyped (SCM instead of SCY). For short course yards 36.11 is an ok average

That is not true. It is hard to find rankings for 50SCM free because it is not a US Swimming event. But look at results from summer leagues, and there are quite a few girls swimming 36.xx at 9. In the NVSL in 2018, there were six. In the MCSL, there were three. And, keep in mind, those times are without starting blocks, which depending on where OP is, may be used for competition.


1 31.20 Charis Roundtree 9 VR 8/04/18 LRR 4
7 33.22 Elizabeth Bryan 9 IC 7/21/18 BF 14
22 34.87 Emily C Radcliffe 9 PT 7/14/18 OAK 5
29 35.34 Maya H Nelson 9 PC 7/07/18 CH 5
32 35.73 Lila Brock 9 DT 7/21/18 DT 2
38 36.05 Sadie E Buckley 9 F


16. 34.00 Chen, Elizabeth L (9) SB 7/14/2018
22. 34.32 Sha, Anabel (9) RV 7/14/2018
35. 35.58 Katz, Ariana P (9) QO 7/7/2018

[Anonymous]

OP -- why is your DD swimming SCM in the winter? Nobody does that in the U.S. Here, we swim SCY in the winter, LCM in summer (USA swimmer), and SCM only for summer league. Going forward, I would discuss your DD's times in terms on SCY. In any event, you should talk to head coach and get DD moved. Hanging at the wall for 10 minutes is totally unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the times provided are not real times, or the author confused SCM and SCY. There were no 9 yo with such 50FR SCM time in 2018. If her daughter indeed swam 36.11 50FR SCM at 9, she would be ranked top 20 in the US for that age. Certainly won’t have any problems switching with this time. Or the mom mistyped (SCM instead of SCY). For short course yards 36.11 is an ok average

That is not true. It is hard to find rankings for 50SCM free because it is not a US Swimming event. But look at results from summer leagues, and there are quite a few girls swimming 36.xx at 9. In the NVSL in 2018, there were six. In the MCSL, there were three. And, keep in mind, those times are without starting blocks, which depending on where OP is, may be used for competition.


1 31.20 Charis Roundtree 9 VR 8/04/18 LRR 4
7 33.22 Elizabeth Bryan 9 IC 7/21/18 BF 14
22 34.87 Emily C Radcliffe 9 PT 7/14/18 OAK 5
29 35.34 Maya H Nelson 9 PC 7/07/18 CH 5
32 35.73 Lila Brock 9 DT 7/21/18 DT 2
38 36.05 Sadie E Buckley 9 F


16. 34.00 Chen, Elizabeth L (9) SB 7/14/2018
22. 34.32 Sha, Anabel (9) RV 7/14/2018
35. 35.58 Katz, Ariana P (9) QO 7/7/2018

Summer league results are not official times as they are without block starts, non-confirming pools etc. There are official rankings for official SCM times in USA swimming database, rather easy to find. Her daughter needs to get official times before this conversation with her coach or looking for other teams

[Anonymous]

Many of those girls from mcsl or nvsl leagues top timers ARE also USA top 20. These are pretty competetive PVS summer leagues where many US national team members were competing as children. Summer league results are also open. But there is no summer league swimmers in PVS this year with these times. Perhaps, she’s in a different LSC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP -- why is your DD swimming SCM in the winter? Nobody does that in the U.S. Here, we swim SCY in the winter, LCM in summer (USA swimmer), and SCM only for summer league. Going forward, I would discuss your DD's times in terms on SCY. In any event, you should talk to head coach and get DD moved. Hanging at the wall for 10 minutes is totally unacceptable.

We aren’t in your area. She swims SCM and LCM during club season Sept to June. Swims SCY during the summer league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- why is your DD swimming SCM in the winter? Nobody does that in the U.S. Here, we swim SCY in the winter, LCM in summer (USA swimmer), and SCM only for summer league. Going forward, I would discuss your DD's times in terms on SCY. In any event, you should talk to head coach and get DD moved. Hanging at the wall for 10 minutes is totally unacceptable.

We aren’t in your area. She swims SCM and LCM during club season Sept to June. Swims SCY during the summer league.

This doesn’t make sense. Club swimming through the winter - usually September to March - is US Swimming. It is SCY. March to August is LCM. Summer leagues are SCM. Are you on a military base or swimming abroad?