How harmful has the MGTOW coaching been to young people?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like "Men can do pretty well in their 40's" is good advice for those who are getting discouraged by dating in their 20's and 30's, or who are trying to decide whether to end an unhappy marriage. If you're an average-looking, average-height, average-built guy, it might be easier to find a good woman in your 40's because that's the age where there are lots of divorces and perpetually-single women, and they might be able to overlook more than they would at 20. 20-something women can be shallow when deciding who to date. They might instead think, "this guy is nice, he's employed, he's educated, I should give him a chance."

I kind of feel like that's a cop-out. For the guys who are having trouble finding women at 20, the problem isn't that women are superficial, the problem is that they are angling for women who are out of their league socially and looks-wise (and of course getting rejected).

And by age 45 those same "out of his league" women will look horrible, and the women's personalities will be the same or worse.

A friend recently attended his 50th high school reunion. He said every single woman from his class looked hideous. Only half the men looked hideous. I had the same experience recently at my 30th. The homecoming queen had grown to about 300 pounds and was unrecognizable.

Men aren’t that great at assessing other men’s attractiveness. I’m more curious what the women at the reunion thought of those guys. No way 50% of a bunch of almost-70-year-olds looked good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like "Men can do pretty well in their 40's" is good advice for those who are getting discouraged by dating in their 20's and 30's, or who are trying to decide whether to end an unhappy marriage. If you're an average-looking, average-height, average-built guy, it might be easier to find a good woman in your 40's because that's the age where there are lots of divorces and perpetually-single women, and they might be able to overlook more than they would at 20. 20-something women can be shallow when deciding who to date. They might instead think, "this guy is nice, he's employed, he's educated, I should give him a chance."

I kind of feel like that's a cop-out. For the guys who are having trouble finding women at 20, the problem isn't that women are superficial, the problem is that they are angling for women who are out of their league socially and looks-wise (and of course getting rejected).

And by age 45 those same "out of his league" women will look horrible, and the women's personalities will be the same or worse.

A friend recently attended his 50th high school reunion. He said every single woman from his class looked hideous. Only half the men looked hideous. I had the same experience recently at my 30th. The homecoming queen had grown to about 300 pounds and was unrecognizable.

Hmm...I have had the opposite experience with my mothers friends. They are in their mid-sixties now, and most of them look like they are married to their fathers.

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I think there is a misunderstanding about the "men age better" chestnut.

Men don't age better. The traits that women prioritize in a mate age better. That's why women keep reporting that the women at their high school reunions look better than the men. They probably do. Of course the men probably have higher incomes and may be on their second or third wife, so some of those women really are younger. Also DCUMers are from relatively affluent backgrounds, where women are more likely to get cosmetic procedures.

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Anonymous wrote: the problem isn't that women are superficial, the problem is that they are angling for women who are out of their league socially and looks-wise (and of course getting rejected).

You have to be female. Do you not see the contradiction in your own words? You’re validating MGOTW central theme without even realizing it.

Where is a contradiction? What does being female have to do with this? Leagues work for both genders. No rich hot men in their 30s are coming for me - why would they?

Assess your league accurately, date within it, and you will be fine. Man or woman.

ALL of it is superficial.

“Women out of their league” = Looks = Superficial.

Why don’t you just add in that “he needs to have a PhD in NeuroAstronomy (or something completely asinine), drives an Aston Martin, lives in Potomac and makes $6.7 million/yr minimum to meet my “standards”.

Nope, not superficial at all