Where to move in montgomery county for good schools???

Anonymous
15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such a sad, sad statement. . .

You, PP, have just stated what all of the other PPs have been dancing around.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such a sad, sad statement. . .

You, PP, have just stated what all of the other PPs have been dancing around.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Thanks. You'll have to explain yourself more clearly.
Anonymous
Damascus,Maryland
Taking 270 to Frederick,I think it is exit 16(not sure)
They have great schools + houses.
$500 will do for a good,not great house in Damascus.
Good luck.
Anonymous
Quoting the OP...

(we both work in DC, so the ability to commute with ease into DC is a consideration)


That throws Damascus right out the window.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Quoting the OP...

(we both work in DC, so the ability to commute with ease into DC is a consideration)


That throws Damascus right out the window.


It is true!Sorry about that...It was actually funny to not notice you want something closer to DC.
Damascus IS way too far.
Have you try Rockville? Zip 20852/Luxmanor Elementary School + others in this area is great!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quoting the OP...

(we both work in DC, so the ability to commute with ease into DC is a consideration)


That throws Damascus right out the window.


It is true!Sorry about that...It was actually funny to not notice you want something closer to DC.
Damascus IS way too far.
Have you try Rockville? Zip 20852/Luxmanor Elementary School + others in this area is great!


Those houses are expensive- she wants 500k or less...
Anonymous
I suggest you try Rockville 20850 go to http://www.2hdb.com/johnburgess (homes database)

First find something in your price range, and then take the address and look it up on the MCPS website.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/gis/Publiclocator.asp Also note the name of the community so when you are ready
to move, you know which community to look for houses.

That will tell you what schools the children at that address will go to.
Then look up the individual schools on this:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/

You can learn quite a bit about each school, look up testing, demographics, number of kids on reduced price meals.

Someone mentioned Luxmanor, I'm pretty sure it takes $700,000 to get into that neighborhood.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such an offensive statement. i'm at a loss for words.
Anonymous
Check out Rockville, zip code 20853. You can get single family homes there starting at around $475K. I grew up in the Rock Creek area, went to Rockville High School and loved it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such an offensive statement. i'm at a loss for words.


Perhaps you could explain why it's so offensive. It's not my statement, but it's entirely consistent with the views of many more affluent and well-educated parents who are willing to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy - they acknowledge that, yes, the overall test scores are quite low, but contend that the higher-performing students at those schools are comparable to the top kids at schools like Churchill and Wootton.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such an offensive statement. i'm at a loss for words.


Perhaps you could explain why it's so offensive. It's not my statement, but it's entirely consistent with the views of many more affluent and well-educated parents who are willing to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy - they acknowledge that, yes, the overall test scores are quite low, but contend that the higher-performing students at those schools are comparable to the top kids at schools like Churchill and Wootton.


not the PP who wrote this but I am in complete agreement - It's offensive.

Wondering ". . .how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students which are "are pulling down the Blair all-school scores" is NOT offensive? How crass to put down children with special needs (SPED), who are living in poverty (FARMS), and for whom English is NOT their first language (ESOL). In most cases, there is overlap among these three categories. So you often have ESOL children living in poverty - double whammy!

There are so many cruel posters on this forum who care nothing about others and will stomp on the disadvantaged to get their way. It obvious in how things are written on some of these posts. And sadly, no one recognizes the undercurrent of prejudice behind these words.

And you, PP, write about how informed the "more affluent and well-educated parents" are - "who are willing [cringe] to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy." Already you've proudly acknowledged this division between the haves and have nots. Instead of having pity on some of the disadvantaged students, you (and others) are proclaiming that they are detrimental to a school's success. When I see struggling ESOL kids whose parents work 2 jobs so that they can have a chance at success, I am completely proud of what our system has to offer EVERYONE. And I can't tell you how much regular ed children learn from these students. Compassion comes to mind immediately, something you obviously lack.

If you feel so superior, please consider private school.
Anonymous
16:53 - Well done! Thanks for adding your voice to this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15:41 here. Still curious. Below is detailed data on several schools. I note that Blair has a lower teacher:student ratio than BCC, and fairly comparable test scores, especially if you norm for race or other groups. Someone more math-inclined than I am probably could figure out how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students, which I suspect are pulling down the Blair all-school scores. I'd be curious to see how they compare without those groups (since

BCC:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04406.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Bethesda-Chevy-Chase-High-038719.html

Blair:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
http://maryland.schooltree.org/public/Montgomery-Blair-High-038785.html

Other schools:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/



such an offensive statement. i'm at a loss for words.


Perhaps you could explain why it's so offensive. It's not my statement, but it's entirely consistent with the views of many more affluent and well-educated parents who are willing to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy - they acknowledge that, yes, the overall test scores are quite low, but contend that the higher-performing students at those schools are comparable to the top kids at schools like Churchill and Wootton.


not the PP who wrote this but I am in complete agreement - It's offensive.

Wondering ". . .how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students which are "are pulling down the Blair all-school scores" is NOT offensive? How crass to put down children with special needs (SPED), who are living in poverty (FARMS), and for whom English is NOT their first language (ESOL). In most cases, there is overlap among these three categories. So you often have ESOL children living in poverty - double whammy!

There are so many cruel posters on this forum who care nothing about others and will stomp on the disadvantaged to get their way. It obvious in how things are written on some of these posts. And sadly, no one recognizes the undercurrent of prejudice behind these words.

And you, PP, write about how informed the "more affluent and well-educated parents" are - "who are willing [cringe] to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy." Already you've proudly acknowledged this division between the haves and have nots. Instead of having pity on some of the disadvantaged students, you (and others) are proclaiming that they are detrimental to a school's success. When I see struggling ESOL kids whose parents work 2 jobs so that they can have a chance at success, I am completely proud of what our system has to offer EVERYONE. And I can't tell you how much regular ed children learn from these students. Compassion comes to mind immediately, something you obviously lack.

If you feel so superior, please consider private school.


I'm the one who posted links to the data. You need to explain to me what's so offensive. You also need to explain how I "put down" or "stomped on" the disadvantaged. Maybe you'll also show me where I claimed ESL, FARMS, or SPED students are detrimental to a school's success. I don't think I did any of that.

Other people were comparing and contrasting Bethesda schools with Silver Spring schools, so I posted links to testing data from those schools. The data show that the schools are pretty evenly matched for most kids, that FARMS/ESL/SPED students have notably lower test scores than all others, and that Blair has lots more ESL/FARMS/SPED students than BCC -- so my conclusion was (and is) that the aggregate test score numbers for Blair are lowered by the larger number of these students at that school. I'm not advocating for any change in policy for those students. Note that it's Montgomery County, not me, that breaks out the data for ESL/SPED/FARMS -- maybe you think the school district is stomping on those children too?

I welcome some more thoughtful explanation of your attack on me that's not just more knee-jerk criticism. If I am being inadvertently offensive, I'm happy to be educated -- but your criticism so far is just completely baseless and off-the-mark.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
not the PP who wrote this but I am in complete agreement - It's offensive.

Wondering ". . .how to re-calculate the scores to eliminate SPED, FARMS, and ESOL students which are "are pulling down the Blair all-school scores" is NOT offensive? How crass to put down children with special needs (SPED), who are living in poverty (FARMS), and for whom English is NOT their first language (ESOL). In most cases, there is overlap among these three categories. So you often have ESOL children living in poverty - double whammy!

There are so many cruel posters on this forum who care nothing about others and will stomp on the disadvantaged to get their way. It obvious in how things are written on some of these posts. And sadly, no one recognizes the undercurrent of prejudice behind these words.

And you, PP, write about how informed the "more affluent and well-educated parents" are - "who are willing [cringe] to send their kids to schools like Einstein or Kennedy." Already you've proudly acknowledged this division between the haves and have nots. Instead of having pity on some of the disadvantaged students, you (and others) are proclaiming that they are detrimental to a school's success. When I see struggling ESOL kids whose parents work 2 jobs so that they can have a chance at success, I am completely proud of what our system has to offer EVERYONE. And I can't tell you how much regular ed children learn from these students. Compassion comes to mind immediately, something you obviously lack.

If you feel so superior, please consider private school.


I would be more PC in these posts if the Montgomery Schools themselves were a bit less polarized than they are. The fact is that the Montgomery schools are becoming a case study in the divide between the haves and have-nots.

I personally don't think that's a good thing. I think it would be better if there were more diversity in more of the schools, rather than the uber-competititive affluent schools such as Whitman, Churchil and Wootton, and the schools such as Einstein, Kennedy and Wheaton that overwhelmingly now serve lower-income and/or minority students.

If we want to have diversity in the MoCo schools, people should be able to have candid discussions about how students who come from families with resources and/or a commitment to education (and I recognize they are not always the same, although they often are) fare when they attend schools that also serve substantial numbers of ESOL and FARMS kids, etc. One way that people might have that discussion is to look at what the test scores at schools like Einstein and Kennedy look like when adjusted for the higher percentage of students from challenged environments who attend those schools. But it's a difficult dialogue to have in MoCo, because as soon as the topic is raised the sensitivity squad shows up and announces how offended and horrified it is by the questions that have been raised or the topics that are put on the table. And the parents who otherwise might have considered those schools often are the ones who pick the private schools or the schools like Churchill.

FWIW, my kids are in one of the relatively few pyramids in this county that are relatively balanced, although we are getting so tired of the smug, "holier than thou" attitudes that prevail in MoCo that we likely will consider a move in the near future.
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