Can't understand how DS (1st grade) did so poorly on NNAT2.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for starting this thread OP. Same situation here, we were slightly stunned to see that DS had scored so low. (60th percentile). Maybe I am delusional but I have never heard anything but good things from his teachers, and in my biased POV, I thought he was definitely smarter than average. Maybe I was wrong. But I immediately thought of AAP as well and I'm glad to see that perhaps there is still a chance.

It is reassuring to see other bright kids getting low scores. It's not anything I would ever, ever ask of anyone I knew.

[Anonymous]

We should trust our intuition as mum. I have a different story.
My kid even failed to be picked in advanced maths group in 1st grade. This never happened before. It's not picking 1 out of 100, but 6 out of 23. I did feel a disappointed but have to ignore it.

I still believe my kid is smart, she just may not fit the screening criteria that her classroom teacher applied last time.
This time,she got good NNAT score(99 percentile). So what?
I know she is smart and happy, quite talented in art and sports.That's enough. I don't care if she is gifted or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely agree with the above post. I do not understand why parents prep for the tests. My child made it into AAP and I have the satisfaction knowing that this is her natural ability.

It's good to know your kid is a real gifted one.
But for many "only bright not gifted" kids, they need to go to AAP get a little more challenging, not sticking with"too simple" maths and keep complaining school is so boring.

I personally don't like intensive practice or highly-coached behavior.
However at least we should let your kids get a little familiar with the samples and understand what they are doing except your kids are real genius which I believe the chance is not high. The day when my kid was on test, a few of her classmates tried to get help from her as they really didn't know what did it mean.

NNAT only offers a piece of information to tell your child might be gifted in a certain way(like pattern reorganization)at a time point(your kids might improve a lot later). The real gifted kids are hard to hide away even they failed a couple test occasionally.

At about a 17-20% admission rate, there is nothing to indicate this child is a "real gifted one." I'm not dissing the child at all...both my kids got in with zero prepping, first round. I'm simply saying that the mere fact that a kid is admitted on her own abilities does not mean the child is a "real gifted" kid.

[Anonymous]

Has everyone received NNAT scores? We still have not. I'm guessing they must be mailed out directly by the school since the time frame is so varied as to which people are receiving them.

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Has everyone received NNAT results? We still have not. We are in 20171.

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Nothing yet in 20151.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the nnat scores coming in this year. I was really surprised that ds only got a score of 105. This kind of thing is what he does best! I'm trying not to stress knowing this is only one test but now I am curious. Seems like a raw score of 36/48 would be higher than 60%. Did more students do very well this year or is this average for fcps? I am new to this so pardon my cluelessness. ?

45/48 was 99th percentile.

The test is age-normed, so a given score would be a different percentile depending on your kid's age.

This, many parents are confused by the raw score and the resulting percentile but a couple things to take into account:
1) age-normed: You could have two children in the same grade with the same raw score but different percentiles due to their age at the time of the test (I know a child in first grade who turned 8-he was a May birthday and parents opted to have him do K 2xs, and a child in 1st grade who turned 6-late September birthday, parents opted to enter before she turned 5). The age norm is a standard part of testing.

2) This is a brief snap shot of your child, maybe he/she had a bad testing day. Maybe this test was confusing to him/her, maybe he/she hit the wrong buttons, who knows? There are a ton of possible confounding variables.

I have done testing in the past and have been surprised by parents reactions. I think very few people actually realize what scores mean (including WISC and resulting "IQ" numbers), just because your child scores in a normal range doesn't mean he/she can't/won't be successful and I can definitely tell you that just because he/she scores in a "profound" range, does not mean he/she will be successful. It is simply on data point.

I posted the 45/48 99th percentile data point. When was the test given to 1st graders? Late fall? My child would have been ~6yr3mo.

Sorry, I really don't know much about AAP because I don't really care. I'm not going to help "guide" my son one way or the other. If he's in the pool -- great; if not -- great. If one is in the the right FCPS HS pyramid, I'd say how the child applies him/herself matters much much more than the the track s/he is on.

I have a 4th grader in gen ed and she's doing just fine. In 14 years, when she's applying for her first job, none of this crap will matter.

Why am I here, then? You might ask. When I got my son's NNAT2 score, I thought I should educate myself on AAP just in case he ends up in the pool. That led me here; and I was quickly reminded why I should stay away. See ya!

Useless, holier-than-thou nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the nnat scores coming in this year. I was really surprised that ds only got a score of 105. This kind of thing is what he does best! I'm trying not to stress knowing this is only one test but now I am curious. Seems like a raw score of 36/48 would be higher than 60%. Did more students do very well this year or is this average for fcps? I am new to this so pardon my cluelessness. ?

45/48 was 99th percentile.

The test is age-normed, so a given score would be a different percentile depending on your kid's age.

This, many parents are confused by the raw score and the resulting percentile but a couple things to take into account:
1) age-normed: You could have two children in the same grade with the same raw score but different percentiles due to their age at the time of the test (I know a child in first grade who turned 8-he was a May birthday and parents opted to have him do K 2xs, and a child in 1st grade who turned 6-late September birthday, parents opted to enter before she turned 5). The age norm is a standard part of testing.


2) This is a brief snap shot of your child, maybe he/she had a bad testing day. Maybe this test was confusing to him/her, maybe he/she hit the wrong buttons, who knows? There are a ton of possible confounding variables.

I have done testing in the past and have been surprised by parents reactions. I think very few people actually realize what scores mean (including WISC and resulting "IQ" numbers), just because your child scores in a normal range doesn't mean he/she can't/won't be successful and I can definitely tell you that just because he/she scores in a "profound" range, does not mean he/she will be successful. It is simply on data point.

Thank you for this response. I did not take age into account and that explains a lot! My DS is almost 8 in 1st.

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NNAT is just one snapshot on one day on a test looking for a very specific set of skills. My child scored much lower on the NNAT than I would have expected, but since that child already has a very high WISC, I'm not too stressed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the nnat scores coming in this year. I was really surprised that ds only got a score of 105. This kind of thing is what he does best! I'm trying not to stress knowing this is only one test but now I am curious. Seems like a raw score of 36/48 would be higher than 60%. Did more students do very well this year or is this average for fcps? I am new to this so pardon my cluelessness. ?

45/48 was 99th percentile.

The test is age-normed, so a given score would be a different percentile depending on your kid's age.

This, many parents are confused by the raw score and the resulting percentile but a couple things to take into account:
1) age-normed: You could have two children in the same grade with the same raw score but different percentiles due to their age at the time of the test (I know a child in first grade who turned 8-he was a May birthday and parents opted to have him do K 2xs, and a child in 1st grade who turned 6-late September birthday, parents opted to enter before she turned 5). The age norm is a standard part of testing.

2) This is a brief snap shot of your child, maybe he/she had a bad testing day. Maybe this test was confusing to him/her, maybe he/she hit the wrong buttons, who knows? There are a ton of possible confounding variables.

I have done testing in the past and have been surprised by parents reactions. I think very few people actually realize what scores mean (including WISC and resulting "IQ" numbers), just because your child scores in a normal range doesn't mean he/she can't/won't be successful and I can definitely tell you that just because he/she scores in a "profound" range, does not mean he/she will be successful. It is simply on data point.

I posted the 45/48 99th percentile data point. When was the test given to 1st graders? Late fall? My child would have been ~6yr3mo.

Sorry, I really don't know much about AAP because I don't really care. I'm not going to help "guide" my son one way or the other. If he's in the pool -- great; if not -- great. If one is in the the right FCPS HS pyramid, I'd say how the child applies him/herself matters much much more than the the track s/he is on.

I have a 4th grader in gen ed and she's doing just fine. In 14 years, when she's applying for her first job, none of this crap will matter.

Why am I here, then? You might ask. When I got my son's NNAT2 score, I thought I should educate myself on AAP just in case he ends up in the pool. That led me here; and I was quickly reminded why I should stay away. See ya!

Useless, holier-than-thou nonsense.

This. Plus the post is completely not believable. Why? Well, you're talking about someone who already knows about AAP (she has a 4th grader) AND knows that she has at almost a year before the AAP issue is forefront (application is due) yet she is on here trying to just educate herself just in case he ends up in the pool, which pool number will be announced probably 8 months from now. What she said in bold is absolutely not true. She definitely cares.

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What is an "in pool" score for the NNAT? Just seeing if we need to schedule a Wisc v this summer?

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Anonymous wrote:What is an "in pool" score for the NNAT? Just seeing if we need to schedule a Wisc v this summer?

No telling what it is this year but in past years it was 132.

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We got the result today. 22030
111 - 75%. We probably don't have chance for AAP ?

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Anonymous wrote:We got the result today. 22030
111 - 75%. We probably don't have chance for AAP ?

One of my kids got a 110. He's in (first round). His Cogat was 140 and his GBRS a 15. The NNAT counts the least of the three scores. If you are shocked by the score because of how your kid presents, your kid will likely do very well on the Cogat. If you're not shocked, then I'm guessing your child may not do that well on the Cogat. I'm only saying this because of the people that I know - myself included - that were shocked at the low score on the NNAT, it was because of things their kid has said, connections made, knowledge expressed, etc. that indicated the child was probably pretty bright.

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Anonymous wrote:What is an "in pool" score for the NNAT? Just seeing if we need to schedule a Wisc v this summer?

No telling what it is this year but in past years it was 132.

My DS got a 132. Does that mean that a 132 woudl be in, or a 133 would be in?