Question about re zoning elementary schools in S. Arlington

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Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

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Anonymous wrote: Nothing - NOTHING - impacts school quality as much as engaged, educated parents who encourage their kids, support the school, socially and economically. These are people who show up, they are almost always UMC people with the means to do it, and there aren't enough of them in most SA schools, and never will be until the SB draws boundaries that aren't so segregated so as to run off what few UMC parents are willing to give a school a shot but bail after three years of exhaustion. UMC are a strategic resource and aps should act like it.\.

That's utterly ridiculous. I would say teacher quality is vastly more important. Supports given to students who are struggling are vastly more important. I could think of many other things that are vastly more important that being surrounded by UMC people. What an obnoxious statement.

That's what I meant by difficult to acknowledge. You're not thinking about what are called positive externalities.

UMC people bring accountability and massive resources to every school where they predominate. For example: pta auctions in NA schools that raise more PTA funds in one night than a SA school might raise in 5 years. Parents who organize and fund extracurriculars that don't exist in south Arlington schools. Well manicured school grounds with the newest and nicest of everything. These and other resource dependent "extras" combine to attract and retain the best qualified teachers and administrators. Which in turn attracts more resources.That is what the UMC brings: measurable resources that benefit everyone at the school.

SA teachers are of equal caliber to NA teachers - in many instances, better. When you consider the challenges and the quantity of challenges teachers face at 60+ FRL% and high ELL schools, even though the test scores are dismally low relative to NA Arlington schools, they do a helluva job. Do the English-proficient kids who don't need extra help and aren't behind lose out to a certain degree? Yes. But they also gain in other ways and ultimately do as well as their cohorts come middle and high school. I won't disagree that my kids' experience at Barcroft is less exciting and definitely slower-paced than they would have had elsewhere; but they've had some absolutely outstanding teachers and a team of administrators and specialists who provide what each of them have needed.

I absolutely believe there is a limit, however; and I would not be willing to go to a higher FRL school than Barcroft unless it were some rare star of a "Stand and Deliver" type. Like minorities fear isolation in north arlington schools, white MC kids experience isolation in the highest FRL south arlington schools. One of my kids has had some challenges with that at Barcroft, but not because there aren't enough white kids. Rather because most of them are of the opposite gender and those of my child's gender are mostly native Spanish speakers who group together and speak Spanish on the playground and at lunch. And FLES doesn't help.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

Professional working couples are not going to let their kids get rezoned to school with Farms over 50%, let alone 60-70%. If they cant stop it, they will go private or move. Walkability, diversity, IB and all the other stuff are a side show when over half the kids in the class come from poor families. Educated professionals have their Limits. Drew will become 100% poor.

[Anonymous]

Exactly. Listen maybe in a few years Drew will be acceptable but in 2019 or 2020 most of the kids in my neighborhood South of the Pike potentially being zoned Drew will start K. We are not willing to take a risk on our kids entire elementary school experience. And yes guess what Nauck deserves an amazing school. Nauck doesn’t want a bunch of lily white UMC. They want an amazing school for themselves. They have a great principal that will do her very best and has a proven track record.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Listen maybe in a few years Drew will be acceptable but in 2019 or 2020 most of the kids in my neighborhood South of the Pike potentially being zoned Drew will start K. We are not willing to take a risk on our kids entire elementary school experience. And yes guess what Nauck deserves an amazing school. Nauck doesn’t want a bunch of lily white UMC. They want an amazing school for themselves. They have a great principal that will do her very best and has a proven track record.

How convenient for you that you know exactly what people in Nauck want and what they consider to be an amazing school.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

Professional working couples are not going to let their kids get rezoned to school with Farms over 50%, let alone 60-70%. If they cant stop it, they will go private or move. Walkability, diversity, IB and all the other stuff are a side show when over half the kids in the class come from poor families. Educated professionals have their Limits. Drew will become 100% poor.

Look, professional working couples already send their kids to schools that are at or near 60%, otherwise Barrett, Barcroft, and Campbell would be 100% fr/l. And Henry and Oakridge and Hoffman-Boston and Abingdon never would've gone under 50%. The PP was pointing out how unlikely it is that the fr/l rate will be above 60%. It probably won't even be above 50%. So save your drama, and I guess your money if you think you need to move or go private.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

Professional working couples are not going to let their kids get rezoned to school with Farms over 50%, let alone 60-70%. If they cant stop it, they will go private or move. Walkability, diversity, IB and all the other stuff are a side show when over half the kids in the class come from poor families. Educated professionals have their Limits. Drew will become 100% poor.

Look, professional working couples already send their kids to schools that are at or near 60%, otherwise Barrett, Barcroft, and Campbell would be 100% fr/l. And Henry and Oakridge and Hoffman-Boston and Abingdon never would've gone under 50%. The PP was pointing out how unlikely it is that the fr/l rate will be above 60%. It probably won't even be above 50%. So save your drama, and I guess your money if you think you need to move or go private.

That's some truth. But, I think it'll be very likely that Drew will be 50% or higher. Whether it gets momentum depends almost entirely on how much affordable housing gets zoned there. Oakridge and Henry were 60% farms 12 years ago. They're 25% now. What changed? How much AH was in their zones. That's it. If Drew gets a large perecentage of AH, it will never start that trajectory -- just like carlin, Barcroft, and Randolph never have and never will without big changes to their boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Listen maybe in a few years Drew will be acceptable but in 2019 or 2020 most of the kids in my neighborhood South of the Pike potentially being zoned Drew will start K. We are not willing to take a risk on our kids entire elementary school experience. And yes guess what Nauck deserves an amazing school. Nauck doesn’t want a bunch of lily white UMC. They want an amazing school for themselves. They have a great principal that will do her very best and has a proven track record.

How convenient for you that you know exactly what people in Nauck want and what they consider to be an amazing school.

LOL. Since I've lived here for a number of years, I feel qualified to say that "Nauck" wants a quality education for neighborhood kids just like everyone else in the world. The Nauck Civic Assn wants a neighborhood school, but I certainly don't get the impression they have any thought at all to whether it is "lily white". They care about student performance, period. And have done a lot of work in that regard. Yes, Nauck is culturally and historically AA but there are lily whites round these parts, lemme tell you. I've never been made to feel unwelcome. Quite the opposite. A "bunch of lily white UMC" is important to the school's future success and everyone here knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

Professional working couples are not going to let their kids get rezoned to school with Farms over 50%, let alone 60-70%. If they cant stop it, they will go private or move. Walkability, diversity, IB and all the other stuff are a side show when over half the kids in the class come from poor families. Educated professionals have their Limits. Drew will become 100% poor.

Look, professional working couples already send their kids to schools that are at or near 60%, otherwise Barrett, Barcroft, and Campbell would be 100% fr/l. And Henry and Oakridge and Hoffman-Boston and Abingdon never would've gone under 50%. The PP was pointing out how unlikely it is that the fr/l rate will be above 60%. It probably won't even be above 50%. So save your drama, and I guess your money if you think you need to move or go private.

All of the rezoned families wont move or go private. But I wont be surprised if a majority of them do (assuming we cant stop it). The examples you cite are not relatively wealthy kids being rezoned from a low farms school into a high farms school. Do you think if 20% of Jamestown was rezoned to Drew, all of those families would simply accept that fate for their kids. We are not paying high cost of living in NA only to send our kids to what is now essentially a ghetto school.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew got 55% poors. Oh hell nah am I getting rezoned drew.

You realize if they rezone a bunch of affluent Henry families to Drew it won't be 55% poor anymore.

50% for fall 2019 would be an optimistic target. Drew's current rate is a little over 50, but the student body is mostly montessori. The graded program is probably up near 70, and that's what the "new Drew" will start with. So it will be important that the students who are rezoned to Drew are not disproportionately poor or the rate will skyrocket.

Current neighborhood program is about 200 kids. Even if those 200 are 100% FRL, as a proportion of a full Drew school at 600 students (if not more), that's only 1/3 or 33% FRL.
That leaves a lot of space for more low-income before the school reaches an undesirable over 40%. Yes, APS needs to be cognizant of who they redistrict to Drew; but it's not like the guaranteed starting point is 60%. I hope Staff does a good job of showing the stats for the various boundary possibilities because if the zoned boundary is in the 40% range, I think a lot more MC families will stick around and that will only lead to even better things for Drew in the coming years.

But, APS can easily screw it up. Actually, Staff does a pretty good job trying to balance the various factors - the SB is who will screw it up.

If there are 600 total students and Drew has a farms rate of 50%, that means that 300 kids are disadvantaged. If all 200 of the graded program is ED, then 100 of the Montessori kids are. In this exagerated scenario, the graded program farms rate is 100% and the Montessori rate is 25%. So let's be more realistic and suppose that 80 percent, or 160 of the graded kids are ED. That means that about 140 of the Montessori kids are, or 35%.

So - in order to keep a farms rate of 60%, no more than about a third of the students being rezoned to Drew could be ED.

Professional working couples are not going to let their kids get rezoned to school with Farms over 50%, let alone 60-70%. If they cant stop it, they will go private or move. Walkability, diversity, IB and all the other stuff are a side show when over half the kids in the class come from poor families. Educated professionals have their Limits. Drew will become 100% poor.

Look, professional working couples already send their kids to schools that are at or near 60%, otherwise Barrett, Barcroft, and Campbell would be 100% fr/l. And Henry and Oakridge and Hoffman-Boston and Abingdon never would've gone under 50%. The PP was pointing out how unlikely it is that the fr/l rate will be above 60%. It probably won't even be above 50%. So save your drama, and I guess your money if you think you need to move or go private.

All of the rezoned families wont move or go private. But I wont be surprised if a majority of them do (assuming we cant stop it). The examples you cite are not relatively wealthy kids being rezoned from a low farms school into a high farms school. Do you think if 20% of Jamestown was rezoned to Drew, all of those families would simply accept that fate for their kids. We are not paying high cost of living in NA only to send our kids to what is now essentially a ghetto school.

But we are in south Arlington.