Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and former Republican Mike Rogers, an expert in national security, is leaving the transition team too, purged by anti-Christie forces.

Expect more stuff like this in the coming weeks. It's amateur hour.

A lot of people aren't scared off by amateur hour. They're not sure how much worse it could be than where the professional political elites have been taking us.

I've got friends in Defense and their getting their resumes ready, despite pleas from the higher-up.

What?! You mean they don't want to be led by Tom Cotton?!

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Anonymous wrote:This is so wonderful that it deserves to be quoted. Why does Jared Kushner hate Chris Christie?

So what exactly is Kushner’s disdain with Christie? His distaste for the politician has been widely documented and linked to Christie’s involvement in the prosecution of Kushner’s father Charles Kushner, who was sentenced to prison in 2005 on 18 counts of tax evasion, witness tampering and making illegal campaign donations. But to fully understand the genesis of the bad blood, you must look back to 2005, when Christie, then U.S. Attorney, pounded his chest over his success in getting a guilty verdict in the Kushner case. He’d pushed for Kushner to be sentenced to three years for his crimes, which included hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and capture it on videotape in an act of retaliation against his sister, a witness for the prosecution.

What trash they all are. I wonder if Donald sees Jared as his secret soulmate and wannabe son.

Well Trump's father was also arrested, for participating in a Klan riot in 1927. So there's that bond between them. Both sons of scofflaws.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/

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Anonymous wrote:From the article ...

After he suggested several people, Cohen said, his friend emailed him back in terms he described as “very weird, very disturbing.” “It was accusations that ‘you guys are trying to insinuate yourselves into the administration…all of YOU LOST.’…it became clear to me that they view jobs as lollipops, things you give out to good boys and girls,” said Cohen, who would not identify his friend.

Sounds about like what I'd expected.

We are so fucked. The deplorables have delivered the nation to the know-nothings.

America is officially a has-been nation now.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.

This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.

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Yep. Drain the swamp

When Trump hired the wall st. insider from Goldman Sachs as Treasury secretary, it was "oh, he's hiring people who have experience". When people who have experience in the intelligence community are abandoning Trump you say, "yea, drain the swamp".

What logic.

Oh, PP, give up on logic and give up on facts. The Trumpettes don't like those. They like to gaslight and deflect and whatever you do, do not under any circumstances appear to be well informed or educated or up to date on world affairs or domestic issues or foreign policy or even the least bit intellectual because they will tar and feather you as a "liberal elite." And then they call you crazy and drone on and on about how Bannon isn't a neo-Nazi and Trump is a decent fellow.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.

This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.

,

Yep. Drain the swamp

When Trump hired the wall st. insider from Goldman Sachs as Treasury secretary, it was "oh, he's hiring people who have experience". When people who have experience in the intelligence community are abandoning Trump you say, "yea, drain the swamp".

What logic.

Oh, PP, give up on logic and give up on facts. The Trumpettes don't like those. They like to gaslight and deflect and whatever you do, do not under any circumstances appear to be well informed or educated or up to date on world affairs or domestic issues or foreign policy or even the least bit intellectual because they will tar and feather you as a "liberal elite." And then they call you crazy and drone on and on about how Bannon isn't a neo-Nazi and Trump is a decent fellow.

I didn't vote for Trump, but keeping talking like that if you want to lose more elections.

Also, you're trying to insult Trump voters, so you call them "Trumpettes." You don't see how that's mysoginist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the article ...

After he suggested several people, Cohen said, his friend emailed him back in terms he described as “very weird, very disturbing.” “It was accusations that ‘you guys are trying to insinuate yourselves into the administration…all of YOU LOST.’…it became clear to me that they view jobs as lollipops, things you give out to good boys and girls,” said Cohen, who would not identify his friend.

Sounds about like what I'd expected.

We are so fucked. The deplorables have delivered the nation to the know-nothings.

America is officially a has-been nation now.

Now? Obama is president now.

[Anonymous]

I believe "Trumpettes" was a term coined by some female Trump supporters in Beverly Hills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe "Trumpettes" was a term coined by some female Trump supporters in Beverly Hills.

So PP meant it as a term of endearment? How did PP know the commenter was a woman?

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

His friend’s email conveyed the feeling that ‘we’re so glad to see the bicoastal elites get theirs,’” added Cohen, who described the response as “unhinged.’’

You see this from the Trumpsters posting here. It's not about governing or whatever else, it's about sticking it to the "elites" they feel have been laughing at them for so long. These people would cut off their own limbs if they thought it would upset liberals - they are all about confrontation, in favor of whatever dems are against no matter how reasonable it might be. Any possible compromise is unacceptable.

The depths of this crazy is just astounding. What a clusterfuck.

Every day this reminds me more and more of the Russian Revolution. That worked out wonderfully for everyone.

Yup. It's a weird hybrid of the Russia 1917 and Germany 1933.

Yes, this. And what's troubling is that this is just the stuff we're hearing about. Imagine the things that are happening behind closed doors that aren't leaked yet. Bannon is bad news. Wonder if he's Trump's Svengali to some extent. Trump knows he's clueless and that fuels Bannon's power.

Yes, he is. But so is Kushner. And they apparently have no love for each other.
I so wish I was a fly on the wall for these conversations. There's an epic battle being waged inside the Trump Tower right now. This story will be told for generations - this is better than Game of Thrones!

Except that we are all stuck in the show, playing the role of random peasants. It usually doesn't work out very well for them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.

This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.

,

Yep. Drain the swamp

When Trump hired the wall st. insider from Goldman Sachs as Treasury secretary, it was "oh, he's hiring people who have experience". When people who have experience in the intelligence community are abandoning Trump you say, "yea, drain the swamp".

What logic.

Oh, PP, give up on logic and give up on facts. The Trumpettes don't like those. They like to gaslight and deflect and whatever you do, do not under any circumstances appear to be well informed or educated or up to date on world affairs or domestic issues or foreign policy or even the least bit intellectual because they will tar and feather you as a "liberal elite." And then they call you crazy and drone on and on about how Bannon isn't a neo-Nazi and Trump is a decent fellow.

They are not interested in winning elections...only name calling and demagoguery. I wonder what pp will say when Dems jump at the chance to work with Trump? You know they will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so wonderful that it deserves to be quoted. Why does Jared Kushner hate Chris Christie?

So what exactly is Kushner’s disdain with Christie? His distaste for the politician has been widely documented and linked to Christie’s involvement in the prosecution of Kushner’s father Charles Kushner, who was sentenced to prison in 2005 on 18 counts of tax evasion, witness tampering and making illegal campaign donations. But to fully understand the genesis of the bad blood, you must look back to 2005, when Christie, then U.S. Attorney, pounded his chest over his success in getting a guilty verdict in the Kushner case. He’d pushed for Kushner to be sentenced to three years for his crimes, which included hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and capture it on videotape in an act of retaliation against his sister, a witness for the prosecution.

What trash they all are. I wonder if Donald sees Jared as his secret soulmate and wannabe son.

Donald and Jared are close because they share similar childhood trauma: dysunctional wealthy families led by abusive, authoritarian fathers. Their lust for power, closing ranks, and loyalty above all else is their way to maintain a semblance of control over their damaged psyches.

[Anonymous]

Also Eliot Cohen had written a blistering op-Ed in the Washington Post about his experience.
Tl;dr - don't serve this administration unless you're willing to sacrifice your decency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-told-conservatives-to-work-for-trump-one-talk-with-his-team-changed-my-mind/2016/11/15/f02e1fac-ab7c-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

[Anonymous]

To those who think the Trumps are incompetent: Trump won. And, it wasn't all luck. He had a message. HRC did not.

I just saw his data guy on television. He'd never done data for a political campaign before. He was hired in 2010 by Ivanka and Jared and stayed with the company. He collected and analyzed LOTS of data and correctly predicted the Electoral results on Friday before the election. They spent their money where he told them to spend it--they knew what they were doing. He said the only one he called wrong was Wisconsin--he wasn't sure it would flip.

Why do you think Trump went to Michigan last week? Pennsylvania? These were strategic decisions. I hardly think they he is not carefully thinking through his cabinet. Give him a chance. Apparently, he is pretty good at getting the right people. Sure, he's made some mistakes, but he gets rid of the ones who are not right.

If you have ever worked in government, you know that one of the worst challenges is to get someone to change the way they do things. I worked on a publication once and there was a word misspelled on the front page. The employee said she did that because the publication before that had the word spelled that way. You know--"that's the way we've always done it." Seriously, she didn't want to change the spelling because that is the way it was published before. I wish I could remember the word, but I do recall it was not a complicated word and was a pretty glaring mistake. But, it was "spelled" that way the last time it was published.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.

This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.

Uh, Frank Gaffney is poster child neocon and is currently directing the NatSec apparatus within the transition. Do you know what a neocon is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even idiotic Ben Carson has jumped off the Trump Train.

You think Bannon was going to keep a black man?
Seriously?

Being that Bannon hired black men (and women, and Asian men, and Latina women, and so on) to write for him at Breitbart, yes.

And Ben Carson has said for months that he'd prefer to be an outside advisor for a Trump administration rather than have a position within it.