DC Charter sector is blacker and poorer and outscores DCPS

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

Actually that's not true. One of the downsides of charter schools are the high teacher turnover rate. Where exactly do you think these charter teachers go when they leave the charters? The majority end up in DCPS, MOCO, and PGC public schools. You didn't really think they want to earn a mere 30k for the rest of the lives, do you. So your once lauded charter school teachers are now the considered dead wood according to you.

They might start there and then any of them with commonsense leave as quickly as possible due to the poor student body and out of control behavior issues. Look if you teach in a poor performing schools you either 1. Have a great heart and care about making difference in a very challenging environment (great respect and admiration) or 2. You are deadwood and can't get a job in a better school area/district.

These schools suck for multiple reasons. Low SES parents/community who could care less about eduction, and "teachers" who are phoning it in

Please assure us that you are not a teacher and for the love of all that is good, have never been a teacher.

No one on this thread seems like an educator or anyone with boots on the ground. Most of the arguments seem to come directly from some political platform or they are begrudging others for not having the same opinion about how public finances should be spent. My god - the broad assumptions and the shortsightedness about education and the residents that live all across this city. I hope to god that these people are not policy wonks.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the lobbyists are out in full force.

Here's an idea: take a real statistics course and then get some integrity. Just because you quote numbers doesn't make them meaningful.

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Do you have any analytical data at all to back up your vague assertions about self selection and so-called motivated parents? Or offer a better statistical analysis? The data sets are public. Knock yourself out.

The data sets are insufficient to prove one way or the other. I think both sides can STFU - neither has a well formed study to say what is or isn't a factor.

Instead there's a lot of mud slinging based on misused data. It would do well for anyone to be humble about their school - it's not that easy to be statistically better / worse.

In fact, there isn't even a single definition of what makes a school good.

Unless your definition of better / worse is simply based on the number of high SES students, in which case... knock yourself out. That's easy data to come by.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

Actually that's not true. One of the downsides of charter schools are the high teacher turnover rate. Where exactly do you think these charter teachers go when they leave the charters? The majority end up in DCPS, MOCO, and PGC public schools. You didn't really think they want to earn a mere 30k for the rest of the lives, do you. So your once lauded charter school teachers are now the considered dead wood according to you.

They might start there and then any of them with commonsense leave as quickly as possible due to the poor student body and out of control behavior issues. Look if you teach in a poor performing schools you either 1. Have a great heart and care about making difference in a very challenging environment (great respect and admiration) or 2. You are deadwood and can't get a job in a better school area/district.

These schools suck for multiple reasons. Low SES parents/community who could care less about eduction, and "teachers" who are phoning it in

Please assure us that you are not a teacher and for the love of all that is good, have never been a teacher.

I am sorry reality is not your strong suit. DCPS has sucked for over 50 years. The charters and gentrification have finally made things better. Death to the unions

Thank you for assuring us that you are indeed not an educator. You are just the everyday garden variety racist, elitist troll. By the way, that earlier post was not limited to charter teachers exiting to teach at DCPS only. The teachers leave to teach at all the surrounding jurisdictions and beyond. Heck, my kid does not have a dedicated math teacher this year. The last one left for greener pastures, and it's been difficult finding a replacement. And those greener pastures in the city and counties all have those dastardly unions with better pay and benefits.

Gentrification has not made it better. Gentrification hasn't made it better, or worse. The charter schools are still predominantly minority, just like DCPS. Charter schools with majority-minority are outperforming the more diverse charters, so gentrification has had no effect there. However, I do agree with your statemeant that charters have made schooling better in this city. Why? Because charters have the luxury and flexibility to subtlety choose and/or retain their students. Whereas, DCPS does not. Charters have fewer kids and less bull crap bureaucracy. Charters can specialize, whereas DCPS must attempt to be all things to everybody, which is impossible. It shouldn't be a competition, but a coordinated effort for the two to work on behalf for all the students. With charter advocates like you PP, that's an impossibility.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

Actually that's not true. One of the downsides of charter schools are the high teacher turnover rate. Where exactly do you think these charter teachers go when they leave the charters? The majority end up in DCPS, MOCO, and PGC public schools. You didn't really think they want to earn a mere 30k for the rest of the lives, do you. So your once lauded charter school teachers are now the considered dead wood according to you.

They might start there and then any of them with commonsense leave as quickly as possible due to the poor student body and out of control behavior issues. Look if you teach in a poor performing schools you either 1. Have a great heart and care about making difference in a very challenging environment (great respect and admiration) or 2. You are deadwood and can't get a job in a better school area/district.

These schools suck for multiple reasons. Low SES parents/community who could care less about eduction, and "teachers" who are phoning it in

Please assure us that you are not a teacher and for the love of all that is good, have never been a teacher.

I am sorry reality is not your strong suit. DCPS has sucked for over 50 years. The charters and gentrification have finally made things better. Death to the unions

Thank you for assuring us that you are indeed not an educator. You are just the everyday garden variety racist, elitist troll. By the way, that earlier post was not limited to charter teachers exiting to teach at DCPS only. The teachers leave to teach at all the surrounding jurisdictions and beyond. Heck, my kid does not have a dedicated math teacher this year. The last one left for greener pastures, and it's been difficult finding a replacement. And those greener pastures in the city and counties all have those dastardly unions with better pay and benefits.

Gentrification has not made it better. Gentrification hasn't made it better, or worse. The charter schools are still predominantly minority, just like DCPS. Charter schools with majority-minority are outperforming the more diverse charters, so gentrification has had no effect there. However, I do agree with your statemeant that charters have made schooling better in this city. Why? Because charters have the luxury and flexibility to subtlety choose and/or retain their students. Whereas, DCPS does not. Charters have fewer kids and less bull crap bureaucracy. Charters can specialize, whereas DCPS must attempt to be all things to everybody, which is impossible. It shouldn't be a competition, but a coordinated effort for the two to work on behalf for all the students. With charter advocates like you PP, that's an impossibility.

Right so anyone who disagrees with anything is a troll/racist right what bs

Ready for some facts

DCPS has sucked for decades reasons.... A large black population who could care less about education..... Teachersbacked by unions who could care less about education

Over the past 20 years things have begun to get better for a different set of reasons

1. The area is gentrifying meaning there are less low SES african americans as a percentage of the school population (at least in the lower grades) meaning the students are higher quality
2. Charters have begun to operate giving all students better options with teachers who actually care and are motivated.

These are the facts..... deal with it....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

Actually that's not true. One of the downsides of charter schools are the high teacher turnover rate. Where exactly do you think these charter teachers go when they leave the charters? The majority end up in DCPS, MOCO, and PGC public schools. You didn't really think they want to earn a mere 30k for the rest of the lives, do you. So your once lauded charter school teachers are now the considered dead wood according to you.

They might start there and then any of them with commonsense leave as quickly as possible due to the poor student body and out of control behavior issues. Look if you teach in a poor performing schools you either 1. Have a great heart and care about making difference in a very challenging environment (great respect and admiration) or 2. You are deadwood and can't get a job in a better school area/district.

These schools suck for multiple reasons. Low SES parents/community who could care less about eduction, and "teachers" who are phoning it in

Please assure us that you are not a teacher and for the love of all that is good, have never been a teacher.

I am sorry reality is not your strong suit. DCPS has sucked for over 50 years. The charters and gentrification have finally made things better. Death to the unions

Thank you for assuring us that you are indeed not an educator. You are just the everyday garden variety racist, elitist troll. By the way, that earlier post was not limited to charter teachers exiting to teach at DCPS only. The teachers leave to teach at all the surrounding jurisdictions and beyond. Heck, my kid does not have a dedicated math teacher this year. The last one left for greener pastures, and it's been difficult finding a replacement. And those greener pastures in the city and counties all have those dastardly unions with better pay and benefits.

Gentrification has not made it better. Gentrification hasn't made it better, or worse. The charter schools are still predominantly minority, just like DCPS. Charter schools with majority-minority are outperforming the more diverse charters, so gentrification has had no effect there. However, I do agree with your statemeant that charters have made schooling better in this city. Why? Because charters have the luxury and flexibility to subtlety choose and/or retain their students. Whereas, DCPS does not. Charters have fewer kids and less bull crap bureaucracy. Charters can specialize, whereas DCPS must attempt to be all things to everybody, which is impossible. It shouldn't be a competition, but a coordinated effort for the two to work on behalf for all the students. With charter advocates like you PP, that's an impossibility.

Right so anyone who disagrees with anything is a troll/racist right what bs

Ready for some facts

DCPS has sucked for decades reasons.... A large black population who could care less about education..... Teachersbacked by unions who could care less about education

Over the past 20 years things have begun to get better for a different set of reasons

1. The area is gentrifying meaning there are less low SES african americans as a percentage of the school population (at least in the lower grades) meaning the students are higher quality
2. Charters have begun to operate giving all students better options with teachers who actually care and are motivated.

These are the facts..... deal with it....

Well there is reality, and then there's you PP. Have fun under your bridge.