DC Charter sector is blacker and poorer and outscores DCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

When DCUM think charters, they think CMI, MV, YY. They don't care where poor black kids of DC go to school. Most DCUM don't know poor black people.

Well DCUM is wrong. And the anti charter DCUM people need to look at the whole city when the make their pronouncements. Or at least insert a few caveats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see the lobbyists are out in full force.

Here's an idea: take a real statistics course and then get some integrity. Just because you quote numbers doesn't make them meaningful.

Do you have any analytical data at all to back up your vague assertions about self selection and so-called motivated parents? Or offer a better statistical analysis? The data sets are public. Knock yourself out.

[Anonymous]

You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

When DCUM think charters, they think CMI, MV, YY. They don't care where poor black kids of DC go to school. Most DCUM don't know poor black people.

Sure they do, there is the guy they buy their copy of Street Sense off of every few months when he successfully gets in front of them while coming out of the CVS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I agree with you too. Thats the dark side of all this. The charters are sucking out the motivated in ward 7 and 8 and then they reject the tough cases so the people left attending the publics are the low of the low. I don't envy your position at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

I'm OK with that. KIPP is up front about what is expected of students and families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

I'm OK with that. KIPP is up front about what is expected of students and families.

+1.

And, based on a separate thread from yesterday, the school that "counsels out" most students is Banneker. Around half of incoming 9th graders are out before graduation.

Why can't charters ensure some high standards too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

When DCUM think charters, they think CMI, MV, YY. They don't care where poor black kids of DC go to school. Most DCUM don't know poor black people.

This is the tired old refrain of the WTU and their allies. It's astonishing that one reads that the BLM movement opposes charters, until you realize that their agenda is being shaped by urban teachers unions that are afraid of losing deadwood jobs and influence. Rhee had her faults, but it was interesting when she tried to clean house of the worst teachers, the straight-faced pushback was "these are jobs for the community." The kids were a quaint afterthought for the WTU and its friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting stats:

Charter sector is 79% African American and 82% economically disadvantaged
DCPS is 64% African American and 75% economically disadvantaged.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maureensullivan/2016/08/30/d-c-charter-schools-outperform-districts-public-schools/#18f12735425f

And also their parents are capable and willing to sign up for charter so not exactly the same population as those who just go to their neighborhood school now is it? Motivation, parental involvement, small classes, etc are key! I'm guessing by your horrible heading title that you knew that and were just trying to be provocative, I'm also guessing that you probably wrote the other posts.

and if you look at the schools with the highest concentration of ED students the bottom 1/4 are all DCPS. Averaged across the system the total % of ED may be higher in charters but the hardest cases are more concentrated in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

When DCUM think charters, they think CMI, MV, YY. They don't care where poor black kids of DC go to school. Most DCUM don't know poor black people.

This is the tired old refrain of the WTU and their allies. It's astonishing that one reads that the BLM movement opposes charters, until you realize that their agenda is being shaped by urban teachers unions that are afraid of losing deadwood jobs and influence. Rhee had her faults, but it was interesting when she tried to clean house of the worst teachers, the straight-faced pushback was "these are jobs for the community." The kids were a quaint afterthought for the WTU and its friends.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.