Loretta Lynch scrubbing Orlando 911 tapes

[Anonymous]

The redacted portions are really not all that problematic. This thread and Breitbart's handwringing really seems to be a major overreaction.

Here is the redacted transcript. They removed proper names, basically. Some we can fill in and some are sensitive.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/06/20/investigativeupdateorlandoshooting.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Seems releasing his ranting shirt glorifies his insane world view. Why would you do that?

Exactly.

I can never figure out why people always want us to react exactly as terrorists want.

So what you are saying is if you don't react, they will simply stop? These are not 3 year old children having a temper tantrum. These are murderous religious nuts who are fed by their own religious ideals. They will now stop because you say "go in peace" or simply ignore them.

No. I'm saying that broadcasting terrorists message is broadcasting the terrorist's message. You understand that was the reason he wanted it recorded, right?

Again, his goal was accomplished. 49 infidels dead. Do you think that hasn't already been broadcast? You act as if Lynch will be releasing some hidden finding.

Lynch and Obama are editing the recording for political purposes only. They do not want Americans further incensed - it will expose their lies and bring more individuals to conservative values.

If you already know what's on the tapes, why do you need to hear it? Mass hysteria was and IS the terrorist's objective.

Because Lynch is calling it a hate crime, while at the same time saying the killer said nothing about the victims being gay.

Seriously, now. You need to hear exactly what the killer said to be convinced that it was a hate crime?

The killer wanted his act to be glorified. It's the icing on his hate cake. Why comply with that wish?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could it be that hearing his message would cause more people to support Trump, who is clearly more anti-terrorism than Clinton?
This administration can’t risk that!

Disagreements about policy, thinking that Obama and Clinton are not doing what you think they should be doing, does not make them pro-terrorist.

I did not say either were pro-terrorist. This administration doesn’t seem to have the will to really deal with these monsters.

Listen, I've been obsessed with news coverage of this since Orlando happened (I'm usually a print journalism consumer), and I've never watched so much fox news and fox-in-general in my life. What you are parroting is the baseless fox mantra. There is no substance to the claims of Obama, Clinton, or "the democrats" having no will, no plan. Not even the cia director made those or similar claims, which is the SINGLE bit of official "evidence" that Fox keeps referring to.

Look for terrorist kill lists. The Obama admin has many. Drone strikes: Check. It seems Fox is using this false info as the single salient wedge issue of the left/right war, tying it to a specious claim that the left is ignoring terrorism and isil and "Muslim threat" (puh-lease) in order to take away Americans' guns.

They've dropped off the face if reality. And they're taking viewers with them. Very sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems releasing his ranting shirt glorifies his insane world view. Why would you do that?

Exactly.

I can never figure out why people always want us to react exactly as terrorists want.

So what you are saying is if you don't react, they will simply stop? These are not 3 year old children having a temper tantrum. These are murderous religious nuts who are fed by their own religious ideals. They will now stop because you say "go in peace" or simply ignore them.

No. I'm saying that broadcasting terrorists message is broadcasting the terrorist's message. You understand that was the reason he wanted it recorded, right?

Again, his goal was accomplished. 49 infidels dead. Do you think that hasn't already been broadcast? You act as if Lynch will be releasing some hidden finding.

Lynch and Obama are editing the recording for political purposes only. They do not want Americans further incensed - it will expose their lies and bring more individuals to conservative values.

If you already know what's on the tapes, why do you need to hear it? Mass hysteria was and IS the terrorist's objective.

Because Lynch is calling it a hate crime, while at the same time saying the killer said nothing about the victims being gay.

Seriously, now. You need to hear exactly what the killer said to be convinced that it was a hate crime?

The killer wanted his act to be glorified. It's the icing on his hate cake. Why comply with that wish?

I'm wondering what Lynch is hiding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She claims to be doing this to not 'feed terrorists'. BS. I think she's doing it because she doesn't want the American public to hear his say it, hear his tone. This cements, in my mind, that the Government is hiding things re: this shooter, as well as other violent Islamists. They want to push the lone wolf narrative, rather than the truth:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/19/islam-isis-loretta-lynch-censored-911-orlando/

You are exactly right.

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Anonymous wrote:She claims to be doing this to not 'feed terrorists'. BS. I think she's doing it because she doesn't want the American public to hear his say it, hear his tone. This cements, in my mind, that the Government is hiding things re: this shooter, as well as other violent Islamists. They want to push the lone wolf narrative, rather than the truth:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/19/islam-isis-loretta-lynch-censored-911-orlando/

Sorry, you lost me at Breibart. I'm now sorry I even clicked on this thread. Moving on....

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Anonymous wrote:Bush didn't release the 9/11 blackbox recordings of the hijackers. Where was your outrage then?

Different. He didn't release them.
She is releasing them, but edited. As I asked before, then what is the purpose? To confuse, distort, emotionally charge the event, which is latest highly emotional. It's all political.

Don't worry, dems will sniff this, change "the narrative" tomorrow and turn this against republicans, again. Their playbook every time. When it happens, at least you'll know what to look for.

Wasn't Bush covering up their screams of allahu Akbar, keeping the truth from us? It's a conspiracy.

They all suck! This is why I'm voting for Trump, sick of all these scheming career politicians.

I hear you. I worry about fascist impulses with Trump, but this actually is fascism. And a few years from now, whomever is elected, when people loo back and say how did we get here...I'll certainly think moves like this anaesthetized us.

[Anonymous]

LOL at everyone supporting redacted tapes and making excuses for TERRORISM as some sort of gun control or mental health issue. Release the tapes and let people make up their own minds. What happened to "transparency"?

This will back-fire on the Obama Administration - luckily Trump is too inept to play this to his advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at everyone supporting redacted tapes and making excuses for TERRORISM as some sort of gun control or mental health issue. Release the tapes and let people make up their own minds. What happened to "transparency"?

This will back-fire on the Obama Administration - luckily Trump is too inept to play this to his advantage.

I think the administration is doing everything it can to delegitimize ISIS including not allowing a bad guy to give voice to support for them. I see it purely as a national security decision rather than a domestic political one -- but it certainly doesn't look good and is backfiring, at least for now.

Seeing this through the lens of Trump/Clinton seems to be hyper-focused on domestic issues and ignoring national/international issues. I agree, though, that Trump will not successfully capitalize on this. He can't seem to pull that off.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems releasing his ranting shirt glorifies his insane world view. Why would you do that?

Exactly.

I can never figure out why people always want us to react exactly as terrorists want.

So what you are saying is if you don't react, they will simply stop? These are not 3 year old children having a temper tantrum. These are murderous religious nuts who are fed by their own religious ideals. They will now stop because you say "go in peace" or simply ignore them.

No. I'm saying that broadcasting terrorists message is broadcasting the terrorist's message. You understand that was the reason he wanted it recorded, right?

Again, his goal was accomplished. 49 infidels dead. Do you think that hasn't already been broadcast? You act as if Lynch will be releasing some hidden finding.

Lynch and Obama are editing the recording for political purposes only. They do not want Americans further incensed - it will expose their lies and bring more individuals to conservative values.

If you already know what's on the tapes, why do you need to hear it? Mass hysteria was and IS the terrorist's objective.

Because Lynch is calling it a hate crime, while at the same time saying the killer said nothing about the victims being gay.

Seriously, now. You need to hear exactly what the killer said to be convinced that it was a hate crime?

The killer wanted his act to be glorified. It's the icing on his hate cake. Why comply with that wish?

Yes, I do. I want to hear him saying it's because those people are gay. He's not. He's saying it's because of ISLAM.

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Anonymous wrote:She shouldn't be doing that. But we haven't shown ourselves to be very rational, as a country, lately. Maybe when we're all able to act like adults, she'll release the unedited tapes.

So let's look at this. I'm a Jew. I say never again. And mean it. But people have 'never again' a bit mixed up. Back during rise of the Nazis, there wasn't a group of radical Jews mixing amongst peaceful Jews, killing everyone in their path in the name of Judaism and God. There weren't Jews who were outright saying they wanted to kill us - and have done it over and over again to prove their point. We KNOW this isn't all Muslims. We DO know this is SOME Muslims. So it stands to reason, Mosques should get greater scrutiny, given we have seen some of Imams share the same views as the attackers (see video of Imam at Orlando mosque saying killing gays is doing them a favor). It stands to reason we would want to slow down or stop the bringing in of refugees until we can screen them properly, not half-assed. And for God's sakes, work with the churches in Syria to bring in Christian Syrians who are being persecuted by ISIS. I dare say the priests there know their parishioners and have for a very long time. Europe is a very good lesson as to why it makes no sense to wantonly bring people in. Our own CIA and FBI have warned they cannot properly vet.

We know who our enemy is - Radical Islam. They are screaming it from the rooftops. It's time we listen and do it right.

PP here. I think you are both over and underestimating Islam and Muslims. But I was referring to Ebola, Zika, and other recent episodes of mass hysteria in this country. We're not rational people, in general.

I disagree with many of your points, but you sound reasonable. Many people lately simply sound hysterical.

They have a right to be frightened, given our government is not taking this threat seriously, and are, in fact, protecting those individuals who have said they want to kill us. 49 people are dead in Orlando as a result of nothing more than political correctness - our best and brightest being hamstrung by an ideologue with a bone to pick with America. Those people died in vain because so many people have not learned.

People aren't 'hysterical' due to the diseases, et al. They are 'hysterical' because they know we have a government so corrupt, they have lost the desire to protect their own people.

So never again if Jews are involved, but if Muslims are the target, feel free to target all Muslims to reach the extremists. Ok.

Radical Jews were not hiding amongst Jews and killing people.

[Anonymous]

I call for a quick and full publication of the redacted Orlando 911 call. This is a big step forward towards erosion of American civil rights. We can and should decide for ourselves what to make of the call, as can the Orlando community.

We don't need Big Government deleting, censoring and deciding for Americans what may and may not be published.

Wake up People!

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Anonymous wrote:I call for a quick and full publication of the redacted Orlando 911 call. This is a big step forward towards erosion of American civil rights. We can and should decide for ourselves what to make of the call, as can the Orlando community.

We don't need Big Government deleting, censoring and deciding for Americans what may and may not be published.

Wake up People!

As far as I know, there's no right to 911 calls at all, audio or transcript, full or redacted. Is there?

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Anonymous wrote:I call for a quick and full publication of the redacted Orlando 911 call. This is a big step forward towards erosion of American civil rights. We can and should decide for ourselves what to make of the call, as can the Orlando community.

We don't need Big Government deleting, censoring and deciding for Americans what may and may not be published.

Wake up People!

As far as I know, there's no right to 911 calls at all, audio or transcript, full or redacted. Is there?

NP here. I agree with you.
But, if they are going to release them - why redact them?
They should have released them in full, or not released them at all.
This doesn’t pass the smell test.
So, so tired of government thinking they know what is best for the people.

[Anonymous]

Yup. Nanny state democrats.