272 Slaves Were Sold to Save Georgetown. What Does It Owe Their Descendants?

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Has anyone analyzed the quality of life in Alexa Africa vs here?

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Anonymous wrote:I love that this is happening to the snootiest schools in the North. All that liberalism goes right out the window when it's you that has to pay up.

Any potential costs will be passed along to full-freight-paying families. Enjoy funding my kid's grants and free ride!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the African slave seller-they were black folks selling black folks-should be offering any reparations. No white man rounded up the Africans. It was their own who sold them in Africa to buyers.Time to stop crying about centuries old wrongs. Time to move on! If not, I want what's mine in reparations, too! Hell, everyone deserves reparations especially the Irish![/quote

Indeed. For all of the "demands" for "equity" in teaching African history in our schools for parity with Anglo-European history, it's interesting that the story doesn't include how Africans sold other Africans into slavery. And of course, the endemic corruption and frequent despotism in many modern African countries is somehow the fault of colonialism.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the African slave seller-they were black folks selling black folks-should be offering any reparations. No white man rounded up the Africans. It was their own who sold them in Africa to buyers.Time to stop crying about centuries old wrongs. Time to move on! If not, I want what's mine in reparations, too! Hell, everyone deserves reparations especially the Irish![/quote

Indeed. For all of the "demands" for "equity" in teaching African history in our schools for parity with Anglo-European history, it's interesting that the story doesn't include how Africans sold other Africans into slavery. And of course, the endemic corruption and frequent despotism in many modern African countries is somehow the fault of colonialism.

Well,it is the fault of colonialism. That said, the billions we have poured in....

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that specific reparations for historical injustices is the best way forward. Might it not be better to ensure that every citizen is afforded a good education, access to medical care, social services, etc?

The Japanese, the Jews (of Germany), and Native Americans received reparations. It seems as if AAs have been blatantly left out of the mix when the entire world benefited from slavery. I don't think a check for every AA is even feasible but in this case scholarships from the institution that sold your ancestors to save themselves is the least they can do.

What raparations do you think native Americans have received? The US government has famously broken every single treaty. There is litigation over Indian money that Interior has been fighting for literally decades.

Holy cow you are ignorant.

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I think the African slave seller-they were black folks selling black folks-should be offering any reparations. No white man rounded up the Africans. It was their own who sold them in Africa to buyers.Time to stop crying about centuries old wrongs. Time to move on! If not, I want what's mine in reparations, too! Hell, everyone deserves reparations especially the Irish![/quote

Indeed. For all of the "demands" for "equity" in teaching African history in our schools for parity with Anglo-European history, it's interesting that the story doesn't include how Africans sold other Africans into slavery. And of course, the endemic corruption and frequent despotism in many modern African countries is somehow the fault of colonialism.

Yup, Africans were just as guilty of promoting their own slavery as the Jews were of promoting their own holocaust. Your logic is intellectually impeccable. Do you believe the same for the Jim Crow, KKK, and Tea Bagger movements despite the existence of Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas?

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The Arabs too promote their own holocaust in the Middle East just as the Black South Africans promoted their holocaust at did at the hands of the White South Africans.

I say it's Obamas fault. He is from Kenya after all.

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Obama should pay the reparations followed by traitors followed by traitors Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:First, the article is beautifully written and so painful it made me cry. Especially the part that talked about slaves who were prohibited from learning to read or write not leaving marks as they moved through this life. The church's part in the slave market while trying to preserve religious indoctrination is mind-boggling and truly evil. I would urge you all to read the article.

If Georgetwon offers anything it should be a place on campus to reflect and discuss this part of history. Another fitting tribute might be to support students of color generally.

Well said. I would suggest an endowed chair in African History with a focus on the antebellum era, and a scholarship fund.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the African slave seller-they were black folks selling black folks-should be offering any reparations. No white man rounded up the Africans. It was their own who sold them in Africa to buyers.Time to stop crying about centuries old wrongs. Time to move on! If not, I want what's mine in reparations, too! Hell, everyone deserves reparations especially the Irish![/quote

Indeed. For all of the "demands" for "equity" in teaching African history in our schools for parity with Anglo-European history, it's interesting that the story doesn't include how Africans sold other Africans into slavery. And of course, the endemic corruption and frequent despotism in many modern African countries is somehow the fault of colonialism.

Well,it is the fault of colonialism. That said, the billions we have poured in....

Or it's endemic. There are comparisons to be made between corrupt crony Third World and crooked, mismanaged spoils-driven municipal regimes in the U.S. like Detroit in the 1970s-90s, Newark in the 70s-2000s and Washington DC in the Mayor for Life era.

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There's an interesting interview in the NY Times today with a CEO who says that one of the qualities she lokks for in new hires is 'the lens through which they look at the world, and whether it's one of ownership or victimization." She listens carefully to whether an inteviewee's "narrative is 'Life happens to me' or 'I make this happen.'"

America is characterized too much today by claims of victimization. Through the rear view mirror of history the selling slaves isn't right. But it also happened nearly two hundred years ago, and certainly Georgetown has done much to advance the cause of humanity since. Americans would be better served to take charge of their own lives rather than nursing some grievance over what may or may have happened to some ancestor umpteen generations ago. People who feel themselves to be victims stay that way.

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Anonymous wrote:First, the article is beautifully written and so painful it made me cry. Especially the part that talked about slaves who were prohibited from learning to read or write not leaving marks as they moved through this life. The church's part in the slave market while trying to preserve religious indoctrination is mind-boggling and truly evil. I would urge you all to read the article.

If Georgetwon offers anything it should be a place on campus to reflect and discuss this part of history. Another fitting tribute might be to support students of color generally.

"Students of color" = "colored students"

Neither term is very appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:Again there are studies that show* that white people (doesn't matter if you are first generation, if you are poor, or if your family never owned slaves) still benefit from white supremacy and slavery. Any potential scholarships or settlement would be a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

For instance White people with HS diplomas get more callbacks for jobs then blacks with Bachelor's. You can't tell me it's because of qualifications.

*Links are in this thread above

I've seen the studies about Elizabeth vs Shaniqua. But what about Bobbie Sue vs Shaniqua? Or Buddy vs DeAndre?

I know the studies say they think racism is the sole cause, but the white names listed in the studies I've seen are all middle class sorts of names.

Are you asking a genuine question or are you using this as an argument against worrying about implicit bias against black applicants with working class names (eg Shaniqua)?

Of course, there's prejudice against white southerners. Dd chose a gmail address for her first professional email address which had both her first and middle names included - and was similar to something like [e-mail] - which made her sound like a rural southerner. We told her to change it because the urban types which control employment would automatically make prejudiced assumptions about her.

So what we should do is educate each other about prejudice and discrimination against rural southerners as well as against African-Americans. It's not a case of who is most victimized in the name game (in case you are arguing that pp, but if you're not, apologies) but increasing our awareness of how this plays out in our daily lives.

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Anonymous wrote:There's an interesting interview in the NY Times today with a CEO who says that one of the qualities she lokks for in new hires is 'the lens through which they look at the world, and whether it's one of ownership or victimization." She listens carefully to whether an inteviewee's "narrative is 'Life happens to me' or 'I make this happen.'"

America is characterized too much today by claims of victimization. Through the rear view mirror of history the selling slaves isn't right. But it also happened nearly two hundred years ago, and certainly Georgetown has done much to advance the cause of humanity since. Americans would be better served to take charge of their own lives rather than nursing some grievance over what may or may have happened to some ancestor umpteen generations ago. People who feel themselves to be victims stay that way.

I think the issue the CEO is referring to is whether the individual has this approach to life. I've known plenty of middle and upper middle class whites who feel quite victimized and are their own worst enemies.

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Students or people of color is appropriate. Look it up.