272 Slaves Were Sold to Save Georgetown. What Does It Owe Their Descendants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know that specific reparations for historical injustices is the best way forward. Might it not be better to ensure that every citizen is afforded a good education, access to medical care, social services, etc?

The Japanese, the Jews (of Germany), and Native Americans received reparations. It seems as if AAs have been blatantly left out of the mix when the entire world benefited from slavery. I don't think a check for every AA is even feasible but in this case scholarships from the institution that sold your ancestors to save themselves is the least they can do.

What raparations do you think native Americans have received? The US government has famously broken every single treaty. There is litigation over Indian money that Interior has been fighting for literally decades.

Holy cow you are ignorant.

You can't spell.

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know that specific reparations for historical injustices is the best way forward. Might it not be better to ensure that every citizen is afforded a good education, access to medical care, social services, etc?

The Japanese, the Jews (of Germany), and Native Americans received reparations. It seems as if AAs have been blatantly left out of the mix when the entire world benefited from slavery. I don't think a check for every AA is even feasible but in this case scholarships from the institution that sold your ancestors to save themselves is the least they can do.

What raparations do you think native Americans have received? The US government has famously broken every single treaty. There is litigation over Indian money that Interior has been fighting for literally decades.

Holy cow you are ignorant.

You can't spell.

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians


I think U.S. Govt has PAID far more than that amount (probably x10000 times more) thru various social services to AAs over the years. I mean, when does it stop?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know that specific reparations for historical injustices is the best way forward. Might it not be better to ensure that every citizen is afforded a good education, access to medical care, social services, etc?

The Japanese, the Jews (of Germany), and Native Americans received reparations. It seems as if AAs have been blatantly left out of the mix when the entire world benefited from slavery. I don't think a check for every AA is even feasible but in this case scholarships from the institution that sold your ancestors to save themselves is the least they can do.

What raparations do you think native Americans have received? The US government has famously broken every single treaty. There is litigation over Indian money that Interior has been fighting for literally decades.

Holy cow you are ignorant.

+1000. Native Americans should be properly compensated. Also, I don't recall Japanese Americans being compensated for confiscation and imprisonment.

[Anonymous]

To Poster 15:24

http://www.diversityinc.com/ask-the-white-guy/how-does-slavery-benefit-white-people-today/

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/08/26/17-major-companies-never-knew-benefited-slavery/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/slavery-made-america/373288/

Light reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NY Times Article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html

The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.

But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.

Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.

Now, with racial protests roiling college campuses, an unusual collection of Georgetown professors, students, alumni and genealogists is trying to find out what happened to those 272 men, women and children. And they are confronting a particularly wrenching question: What, if anything, is owed to the descendants of slaves who were sold to help ensure the college’s survival?

More than a dozen universities — including Brown, Columbia, Harvard and the University of Virginia — have publicly recognized their ties to slavery and the slave trade. But the 1838 slave sale organized by the Jesuits, who founded and ran Georgetown, stands out for its sheer size, historians say.

At Georgetown, slavery and scholarship were inextricably linked. The college relied on Jesuit plantations in Maryland to help finance its operations, university officials say. (Slaves were often donated by prosperous parishioners.) And the 1838 sale — worth about $3.3 million in today’s dollars — was organized by two of Georgetown’s early presidents, both Jesuit priests.

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I think they should give up the entire school to Native Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know that specific reparations for historical injustices is the best way forward. Might it not be better to ensure that every citizen is afforded a good education, access to medical care, social services, etc?

The Japanese, the Jews (of Germany), and Native Americans received reparations. It seems as if AAs have been blatantly left out of the mix when the entire world benefited from slavery. I don't think a check for every AA is even feasible but in this case scholarships from the institution that sold your ancestors to save themselves is the least they can do.

What raparations do you think native Americans have received? The US government has famously broken every single treaty. There is litigation over Indian money that Interior has been fighting for literally decades.

Holy cow you are ignorant.

+1000. Native Americans should be properly compensated. Also, I don't recall Japanese Americans being compensated for confiscation and imprisonment.

Japanese-Americans were certainly compensated and they should have been.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/21/us/senate-votes-to-compensate-japanese-american-internees.html

Under the legislation, $500 million would be paid in the year starting next Oct. 1, with $400 million paid the following year, then $200 million, then $100 million in each of the following two years.

[Anonymous]

Ridiculous. You are accountable for your life. No free lunch in life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous. You are accountable for your life. No free lunch in life.

How is it ridiculous? Who says these descendants aren't accountable for their life. This isn't for all AAs just for the descendants of the 272 who were sold to save the University. I think think a settlement or scholarships is more then fair for an institution with an endowment of $1.5 billion.

[Anonymous]

Were Chinese workers's descendants compensated for inhumane working conditions, brutality, killings, discrimination etc.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous. You are accountable for your life. No free lunch in life.

How is it ridiculous? Who says these descendants aren't accountable for their life. This isn't for all AAs just for the descendants of the 272 who were sold to save the University. I think think a settlement or scholarships is more then fair for an institution with an endowment of $1.5 billion.

How do you propose to track their descendants accurately? The reality is that a lot of the time in DC, the mother isn't even sure who her kid's father is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous. You are accountable for your life. No free lunch in life.

How is it ridiculous? Who says these descendants aren't accountable for their life. This isn't for all AAs just for the descendants of the 272 who were sold to save the University. I think think a settlement or scholarships is more then fair for an institution with an endowment of $1.5 billion.

How do you propose to track their descendants accurately? The reality is that a lot of the time in DC, the mother isn't even sure who her kid's father is.

Nice broad stereotype there.

Here is a picture of a descendant. A lot of them don't live in the DC area and there are people all over the country tracking slave records.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous. You are accountable for your life. No free lunch in life.

How is it ridiculous? Who says these descendants aren't accountable for their life. This isn't for all AAs just for the descendants of the 272 who were sold to save the University. I think think a settlement or scholarships is more then fair for an institution with an endowment of $1.5 billion.

How do you propose to track their descendants accurately? The reality is that a lot of the time in DC, the mother isn't even sure who her kid's father is.

Nice broad stereotype there.

Here is a picture of a descendant. A lot of them don't live in the DC area and there are people all over the country tracking slave records.

Here is another descendant.

Patricia Bayonne-Johnson, a descendant of another of the slaves sold by the Jesuits, is the president of the Eastern Washington Genealogical Society in Spokane, Wash., which is helping to track the slaves and their families.

[Anonymous]

Why after over a century should people living today receive money, scholarships or other compensation because people they don't know, who died long before they were born, had something horrible happen to them? I'm a first generation American, and am the descendant of impoverished farmhands, maids, and cooks. I am also the descendant of a few doctors and teachers. My mother grew up without a father after her dad died at the hands of local criminals. A large portion of my family was prohibited from buying land, from voting, from participating in politics, and from exercising other basic rights. I can't imagine why I would be entitled to other people's money. I'm white, and my family is wealthy now. Should I be turning to someone for reparations?

This country is a mixing bowl. There are so many more people than when the atrocities when slavery, and many of us were dealing with our home country's issues, often horrible as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think scholarships to GT would be perfectly reasonable.

Pretty sure those are already available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think scholarships to GT would be perfectly reasonable.

Pretty sure those are already available.

Scholarships targeted at the descendants of those who saved GT from financial disaster and certain demise through their unpaid, forced labor over decades and their eventual sale and shipment to even harsher environments as though they were chattel, complete with breakups of families including infants taken away from parents?