Are we allowed to say "Islamic terrorists"?

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This doesn't seem to be a religiously motivated terror attack. Instead it's a political statement regarding the French presence in Syria.

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Oh for eff's sake!!!!!! Are there really 3 people in the DC metro area who feel this way?!! G-d help us all.

It's both. They are not mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:How about we take these terrorists on their word? They say they are doing it for Allah. I say we believe them.

just like all those times wars were waged for God

Are you referring to the Middle Ages or currently?

Actually, both time periods are appropriate.

BS. ISIS terrorists are responsible for sawing people's heads off and caging, then igniting a man. They are barbarians. Since we're now hundreds of years past the Middle Ages, their tactics are even more appalling and uncivilized.

Beheading has been part of history! Are you seriously trying to tell me it's a new thing? lol

Yes, it's a part of HISTORY. We're now in 2015. Your sense of humor is off.

Do some research before posting such nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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This doesn't seem to be a religiously motivated terror attack. Instead it's a political statement regarding the French presence in Syria.

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Oh for eff's sake!!!!!! Are there really 3 people in the DC metro area who feel this way?!! G-d help us all.

Terrorism is always the exploitation of people for political gain. They use religion and lies to motivate the disenfranchised to be violent.

[Anonymous]

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This doesn't seem to be a religiously motivated terror attack. Instead it's a political statement regarding the French presence in Syria.

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Oh for eff's sake!!!!!! Are there really 3 people in the DC metro area who feel this way?!! G-d help us all.

It's both. They are not mutually exclusive.

ISIS members are after power, fame, wealth, and women. They use Islamic extremism as their means to an end. It's an easy tool to use, rallying those who feel oppressed and enraged.

[Anonymous]

Religion and Politics are hopelessly linked in certain places. So, yes, it was a political statement that has roots in religious extremism.

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Its very sad and scary to me the level of denial here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its very sad and scary to me the level of denial here.

denial of what? Overwhelmingly, most Muslims don't view Islam this way. Don't practice it this way. And have no problem with others practicing what we call western values.

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Anonymous wrote:Its very sad and scary to me the level of denial here.

What's being denied, exactly? Terrorism isn't new.

[Anonymous]

It has to be a factor in our immigration policies.

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Anonymous wrote:How about we take these terrorists on their word? They say they are doing it for Allah. I say we believe them.

just like all those times wars were waged for God

Are you referring to the Middle Ages or currently?

Actually, both time periods are appropriate.

BS. ISIS terrorists are responsible for sawing people's heads off and caging, then igniting a man. They are barbarians. Since we're now hundreds of years past the Middle Ages, their tactics are even more appalling and uncivilized.

Beheading has been part of history! Are you seriously trying to tell me it's a new thing? lol

Yes, it's a part of HISTORY. We're now in 2015. Your sense of humor is off.

Do some research before posting such nonsense.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-zimmerman-beheading-history-20140929-story.html
not just radical Islamic adherents . . .

You put someone - anyone - in horrific situations and you'll see how quickly s/he becomes uncivilized.

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Anonymous wrote:Or is that islamophobic? Will this thread get whacked due to PC?

Ok, let's just for the moment agree to use that terminology.

What do you want now? Should we exterminate all Muslims? Is that where you're going with this?

You seem to be determined to extract some concession for something. What?

What's with these giant leaps? Has anyone suggested extermination?

Perhaps one merely wants to distinguish between the (sadly) many different brands of terrorism in the world?

You people who are hell bent on picking apart every statement and assigning malicious intent are exhausting.

Did you see the backlash aimed at Ruby Rose for posting that we should pray for the whole world? People flipped out and said it was an anti-Paris comment...or that she was sympathizing with the terrorists. Neither was true. She merely meant that the whole world is pretty screwed up right now and maybe prayers for everyone is warranted. But lots of people felt compelled to assign a malicious intent to her simple comment of praying for the world. WTF?

No, the framing of the question was extremely hostile. It is not an innocent question all -- it was totally loaded and it seems extremely important to OP that we use this terminology. Jeff's response was perfect -- it's probably best not to since it invites Islamaphobia and ignores the fact that Muslims are leading the fight AGAINST Islam. It also, by the way, ignores the fact that the world's most populous Muslim country isn't even in the Middle East, but rather in the Pacific Ocean.

So, to suggest that OP "merely wants to distinguish between the ... many different brands of terrorism in the world" is idiotic. It doesn't distinguish at all. There's ISIS, there's Al-Qaeda, there was Chechen... Lumping them all as "Islamic terrorists" actually BLURS the very real distinctions. So, that's a case for NOT using the terminology.

What I did in my response is challenge OP's premise. OP is a bad person -- we see that constantly here. OP is clearly not very bright, not very clever, and is transparently repugnant. We have a duty at every turn to challenge OP's idiotic prattles.

While I generally agree with you, I'm not too terribly concerned about blurring the lines. Here's why:

1. I think they want credit for their acts of violence...so why give it to them? If ISIS wants the media to credit them for this, why give it to them? Heck, why not say it was an act of violence carried out by an angry group of Oompa Loompas just to mess with them?

2. When numerous terrorist groups have several common denominators--like using Islam to incite violence against the western world--then it might be in the western world's best interest to underscore the common denominator and admit that we are in fact at war with an ideology. Ideology. An ideology that has been tweaked by a number of different groups, but the bottom line is the same: death to the infidels, death to America, death to the western world.

If a group prides itself on it's interpretation of Islam and has declared jihad on infidels, then why isn't it fair to call them Islamist terrorists? They aren't environmental terrorists. They aren't Christian terrorists (like those who bomb abortion clinics). They are Islamist terrorists.

Here's where language and context are helpful: by labeling terrorists (bad guys) as Islamist terrorists, you aren't labeling all Muslims as terrorists. Rather, you are adding an adjective to further describe the terrorist. Candidly, I have several more adjectives I'd prefer to add...

+1. Some common sense, imagine that.

[Anonymous]

If the killing is based on their version of Islamic faith and they assert it's in the name of Islam, it's Islamic terrorism. Whether their interpretation is wrong is another story.

[Anonymous]

Isn't "ISIS" = "ISLAMIC State of Iraq and Syria?" Looks like they openly call it in the name of Islam

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This is ISIS' statement about the attack. Read it, and decide for yourself what they are about.

ISIS wrote:In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent

Allah (ta'ala) said, They thought that their fortresses would protect them from Allah but Allah came upon them from where they had not expected, and He cast terror into their hearts so they destroyed their houses by their own hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O people of vision [Al-Hashr:2].

In a blessed battle whose causes of success were enabled by Allah, a group of believers from the soldiers of the Caliphate (may Allah strengthen and support it) set out targeting the capital of prostitution and vice, the lead carrier of the cross in Europe — Paris. This group of believers were youth who divorced the worldly life and advanced towards their enemy hoping to be killed for Allah's sake, doing so in support of His religion, His Prophet (blessing and peace be upon him), and His allies. They did so in spite of His enemies. Thus, they were truthful with Allah — we consider them so — and Allah granted victory upon their hands and cast terror into the hearts of the crusaders in their very own homeland.

And so eight brothers equipped with explosive belts and assault rifles attacked precisely chosen targets in the center of the capital of France. These targets included the Stade de France stadium during a soccer match — between the teams of Germany and France, both of which are crusader nations — attended by the imbecile of France (Francois Hollande). The targets included the Bataclan theatre for exhibitions, where hundreds of pagans gathered for a concert of prostitution and vice. There were also simultaneous attacks on other targets in the tenth, eleventh, and eighteenth districts, and elsewhere. Paris was thereby shaken beneath the crusaders' feet, who were constricted by its streets. The result of the attacks was the deaths of no less than two hundred crusaders and the wounding of even more. All praise, grace, and favor belong to Allah.

Allah blessed our brothers and granted them what they desired. They detonated their explosive belts in the masses of the disbelievers after finishing all their ammunition. We ask Allah to accept them amongst the martyrs and to allow us to follow them.

Let France and all nations following its path know that they will continue to be at the top of the target list for the Islamic State and that the scent of death will not leave their nostrils as long as they partake in the crusader campaign, as long as they dare to curse our Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), and as long as they boast about their war against Islam in France and their strikes against Muslims in the lands of the Caliphate with their jets, which were of no avail to them in the filthy streets and alleys of Paris. Indeed, this is just the beginning. It is also a warning for any who wish to take heed.

Allah is the greatest.

(And to Allah belongs all honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know) [Al-Munafiqun: 8].

[Anonymous]

Everyone knows ISIS thinks what they are doing is justified in the name of islam. It's easy to rally people to a cause in the name of religion, easier than for any other reason. Don't really need to read a statement from them to understand that.