Are we allowed to say "Islamic terrorists"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going back a few pages but, it's true, some of the atheists on DCUM are quite combative here on DCUM. I can only imagine how hostile they might be face to face with a religious Muslim.

Here's an article written in Islamic Horizons magazine about the 3 Muslims murdered by an atheist, page 35:

http://issuu.com/isnacreative/docs/ih_may-jun_15

There aren't atheist terrorist groups who murder people based on the nonexistent doctrines of atheism.

Then what about this atheist group?

http://www.ateistforum.org/index.php/topic/58876-charles-darwin-thehitler-tugayy-cdmb/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Daesh incorporates the Arabic words for Islamic and State so not sure if it achieves the intended purposes.

I like ISIS because it ironically uses the name of an Egyptian goddess. The U.S. government preference for using ISIL, which lacks the irony, eludes me.

If you want to go the conspiracy route, Isis is the mother of Horus. The eye of Horus is the symbol of the Illuminati - their goal being world domination.

anyone remember the Canadian short, I, Pet Goat?
Egyptian symbols, very creepy

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Interesting video from Australia about how Islamophobes and ISIS are essentially on the same side:

"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

"Islamophobe" perfectly describes people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson who want to discriminate against all Muslims, even those fleeing the violence of ISIS. Do you agree with Cris Christie that even Syrian children under 5 should be barred from entering the US? What do you think of those Americans who turned away the St. Louis and refuse to let Jewish refugees enter the US? Do you identify yourself with them?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

"Islamophobe" perfectly describes people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson who want to discriminate against all Muslims, even those fleeing the violence of ISIS. Do you agree with Cris Christie that even Syrian children under 5 should be barred from entering the US? What do you think of those Americans who turned away the St. Louis and refuse to let Jewish refugees enter the US? Do you identify yourself with them?

Jews were not shooting up European civilian sites in terrorists attacks. Jews never posed a security threat to the U.S. Europe has a huge problem of unassimilated Muslims that leads to disenfranchised young men turning radical and posing a security threat. Do you now see a concern in Europe that Americans want to avoid here? It's a straw man to think those of us who are concerned about homegrown Muslim extremists can't also recognize that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and just want to live life.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

"Islamophobe" perfectly describes people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson who want to discriminate against all Muslims, even those fleeing the violence of ISIS. Do you agree with Cris Christie that even Syrian children under 5 should be barred from entering the US? What do you think of those Americans who turned away the St. Louis and refuse to let Jewish refugees enter the US? Do you identify yourself with them?

Jews were not shooting up European civilian sites in terrorists attacks. Jews never posed a security threat to the U.S. Europe has a huge problem of unassimilated Muslims that leads to disenfranchised young men turning radical and posing a security threat. Do you now see a concern in Europe that Americans want to avoid here? It's a straw man to think those of us who are concerned about homegrown Muslim extremists can't also recognize that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and just want to live life.

The Americans who opposed allowing Jewish immigrants into the United States felt that their position was justified, just as you think you are justified in your views. If you want to avoid disenfranchised young men in the US, a good start would be to develop a more welcoming attitude. I can't think of a better way to alienate them then by adopting a national policy opposing them. Are we so weak as to allow fear and prejudice to drive our policies?

[Anonymous]

radical islam

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going back a few pages but, it's true, some of the atheists on DCUM are quite combative here on DCUM. I can only imagine how hostile they might be face to face with a religious Muslim.

Here's an article written in Islamic Horizons magazine about the 3 Muslims murdered by an atheist, page 35:

http://issuu.com/isnacreative/docs/ih_may-jun_15

There aren't atheist terrorist groups who murder people based on the nonexistent doctrines of atheism.

Then what about this atheist group?

http://www.ateistforum.org/index.php/topic/58876-charles-darwin-thehitler-tugayy-cdmb/

You're a moron. The Daily Currant is fake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Currant

[Anonymous]

This is required reading for everyone participating in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is required reading for everyone participating in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

+1. I linked to that article on another thread, and it's very informative.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

"Islamophobe" perfectly describes people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson who want to discriminate against all Muslims, even those fleeing the violence of ISIS. Do you agree with Cris Christie that even Syrian children under 5 should be barred from entering the US? What do you think of those Americans who turned away the St. Louis and refuse to let Jewish refugees enter the US? Do you identify yourself with them?

Jews were not shooting up European civilian sites in terrorists attacks. Jews never posed a security threat to the U.S. Europe has a huge problem of unassimilated Muslims that leads to disenfranchised young men turning radical and posing a security threat. Do you now see a concern in Europe that Americans want to avoid here? It's a straw man to think those of us who are concerned about homegrown Muslim extremists can't also recognize that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and just want to live life.

The Americans who opposed allowing Jewish immigrants into the United States felt that their position was justified, just as you think you are justified in your views. If you want to avoid disenfranchised young men in the US, a good start would be to develop a more welcoming attitude. I can't think of a better way to alienate them then by adopting a national policy opposing them. Are we so weak as to allow fear and prejudice to drive our policies?

Name me a muslim majority country that you would raise your daughter in. That you would be openly homosexual in. That you would openly practice Judaism in. The answer is zero, and you know it. The key to Muslim immigration is ensuring we are bringing people in that abandon their old world prejudices and assimilate to American values. We don't want to replicate Europe's failure of letting in Muslim immigrants en masse without a plan to assimilate them into society. Unassimilated muslim men are a unique security threat that unassimilated Asian, Jewish, Buddist, Hindu men aren't.

[Anonymous]

Assimilate religiously or aesthetically?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Islamophobes" don't seem to be gunning down and blowing up people.

The phrase "Islamophobe" is simply code for 'racist', because that's all you have to defend yourselves against the truth - that Islamic radicals simply want death to all that are not Islamic radicals, and no one 'made them do it'.

"Islamophobe" perfectly describes people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson who want to discriminate against all Muslims, even those fleeing the violence of ISIS. Do you agree with Cris Christie that even Syrian children under 5 should be barred from entering the US? What do you think of those Americans who turned away the St. Louis and refuse to let Jewish refugees enter the US? Do you identify yourself with them?

Jews were not shooting up European civilian sites in terrorists attacks. Jews never posed a security threat to the U.S. Europe has a huge problem of unassimilated Muslims that leads to disenfranchised young men turning radical and posing a security threat. Do you now see a concern in Europe that Americans want to avoid here? It's a straw man to think those of us who are concerned about homegrown Muslim extremists can't also recognize that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and just want to live life.

The Americans who opposed allowing Jewish immigrants into the United States felt that their position was justified, just as you think you are justified in your views. If you want to avoid disenfranchised young men in the US, a good start would be to develop a more welcoming attitude. I can't think of a better way to alienate them then by adopting a national policy opposing them. Are we so weak as to allow fear and prejudice to drive our policies?

Name me a muslim majority country that you would raise your daughter in. That you would be openly homosexual in. That you would openly practice Judaism in. The answer is zero, and you know it. The key to Muslim immigration is ensuring we are bringing people in that abandon their old world prejudices and assimilate to American values. We don't want to replicate Europe's failure of letting in Muslim immigrants en masse without a plan to assimilate them into society. Unassimilated muslim men are a unique security threat that unassimilated Asian, Jewish, Buddist, Hindu men aren't.

You are ignorant and prejudiced. My college roommate came directly from Lebanon. He is a Shia Muslim who had virtually never been out of the southern suburbs of Beirut. He adjusted perfectly to life in the US, becoming an accomplished electrical engineer who is likely responsible for some of the appliances in your kitchen. He is far from unique. People used to talk about the Irish in a similar manner. They would bring there papism, drunkenness, and crime and never assimilate. People talk that way today about poor Latinos.

The hysteria you people are demonstrating is incredible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Name me a muslim majority country that you would raise your daughter in. That you would be openly homosexual in. That you would openly practice Judaism in. The answer is zero, and you know it. The key to Muslim immigration is ensuring we are bringing people in that abandon their old world prejudices and assimilate to American values. We don't want to replicate Europe's failure of letting in Muslim immigrants en masse without a plan to assimilate them into society. Unassimilated muslim men are a unique security threat that unassimilated Asian, Jewish, Buddist, Hindu men aren't.

What a joke. Since when do immigrants have to abandon their values and beliefs? Italians? Germans? Irish? Everyone that lives here has had family that were immigrants at some point, unless they are native americans. None of them abandoned their "old world" values, they brought them WITH them and that is why America is so diverse today. I bet the native Americans wish we had abandoned our old world prejudices and values though, unfortunately we collectively chose to kill them instead.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jews were not shooting up European civilian sites in terrorists attacks. Jews never posed a security threat to the U.S. Europe has a huge problem of unassimilated Muslims that leads to disenfranchised young men turning radical and posing a security threat. Do you now see a concern in Europe that Americans want to avoid here? It's a straw man to think those of us who are concerned about homegrown Muslim extremists can't also recognize that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and just want to live life.

The Americans who opposed allowing Jewish immigrants into the United States felt that their position was justified, just as you think you are justified in your views.

Jeff, you often use this type of lazy argument -- "some people say this and others say the opposite, so who is to say who is justified". Why not examine the differences between 1930 and now and see if a different policy is warranted today?

1. As mentioned, there were no Jewish subgroups in the 1930s analogous to ISIS seeking "death to America" and plotting terrorism in the U.S.
2. In the 1930s, the immigration laws were so strict that there was actually net emigration from the U.S. Currently we are admitting one million people a year as legal citizens, and that doesn't count the 14 million undocumented people. Do you think we should block other immigrants to make room for the Syrians?
3. There is a vast Arab world with the same language and religion as the Syrian refugees. The Jews in the 1930s did not have such a natural refuge to escape from the Nazis.

Having said this, I am not opposed to including a modest number (few thousand) of Syrian immigrants among the one million from around the world that come to the U.S.