Scott Walker on mandatory ultrasounds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

Not necessary for tooth extractions which is a far bloodier and more dangerous procedure than an abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

Not necessary for tooth extractions which is a far bloodier and more dangerous procedure than an abortion.

I don't know, I've had x Rays done for my tooth extractions...

[Anonymous]

This asshole will be your next president if you aren't careful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

Not necessary for tooth extractions which is a far bloodier and more dangerous procedure than an abortion.

If your DDS is doing extractions without an Xray, he's negligent. No idea which way those roots may be curved

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vaginal wanding didn't hurt me a bit.
I agree that doctors should follow safe practices before conducting an abortion. If my doctor thinks a vaginal wanding is in order, fine.

The govt ordering that I have to submit to a vaginal wanding under any circumstances whatsoever is completely unacceptable. Being penetrated by any object against your will IS rape, as a PP suggested.

I'm the OP and I later found this quote from Walker:

"We just knew if we signed that law, if we provided the information that more people if they saw that unborn child would make a decision to protect and keep the life of that unborn child."

So the purpose of the law is clear. Guilt, not healthcare.

Why feel guilty ? It's not a human life. It's a parasite. A bundle of cells. Right?

You misunderstood PP's post. Walker's motivation is clearly not healthcare but to guilt the woman.

Again, if it's just a bundle of cells and not a viable human life, seeing the ultrasound would not make one feel guilty. I understand perfectly. Walker can't make a woman feel anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaginal wanding didn't hurt me a bit.
I agree that doctors should follow safe practices before conducting an abortion. If my doctor thinks a vaginal wanding is in order, fine.

The govt ordering that I have to submit to a vaginal wanding under any circumstances whatsoever is completely unacceptable. Being penetrated by any object against your will IS rape, as a PP suggested.

I'm the OP and I later found this quote from Walker:

"We just knew if we signed that law, if we provided the information that more people if they saw that unborn child would make a decision to protect and keep the life of that unborn child."

So the purpose of the law is clear. Guilt, not healthcare.

Why feel guilty ? It's not a human life. It's a parasite. A bundle of cells. Right?

Strongly pro-choice here. For some people, abortion is a very serious and difficult decision. It's a potential human life. I would feel guilty if I had an abortion.

That doesn't mean the govt gets to decide that I have to stay pregnant, or try to bully me into staying pregnant.

If we are going to mete out "guilt" for being careless with potential human life, why don't you work on some laws prohibiting the unregulated distribution of semen? If we didn't have so much unlicensed distribution of semen going on, it would cut way down on abortions. Right?

As long as women continue to spread their legs, it's unregulated distribution. They can easily regulate it by saying no.

A potential human life? What else could it be potentially?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

No one forces you by law to look at your x-rays or scans. And neither x-rays or scans cause pain. Vaginal ultrasounds are very painful.

No. They are not. I have had at least 50, if not more. Most women who go through IVF do. They are not the least bit painful. As a matter of fact, it is more painful/uncomfortable to have a papsmear.

FWIW - I am pro-choice and don't understand why EITHER side of the fence is making this into a debate. Transvaginal ultrasounds are helpful for dating the embryo. I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that there are different methods based on how far along you are. That being said, it is my uterus/embryo - let me make the best choice for MYSELF medically with assistance from my doctor - without dictating to me based on YOUR political agenda.

Because once the govt begins to dictate that you have to have certain gynecological/obstetric procedures, inserting themselves into the doctor/patient relationship, specifically targeted at women's reproduction, where does the long arm of the vaginal wand stop?

So let's not require it. Let's let a vaginal ultrasound - or any ultrasound is strictly a woman's choice. Are you willing to require a woman to sign a legal document stating the facility and doctor have no legal liability if something goes wrong? After all, you can be wrong about the date, the structure of your uterus, or whether or not you have a tubal pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

One of the best tools to determine appendicitis is an ultrasound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

Not necessary for hernias or appendectomies.

Not necessary for tooth extractions which is a far bloodier and more dangerous procedure than an abortion.

I don't know, I've had x Rays done for my tooth extractions...

Yes. They need to see root structure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

No one forces you by law to look at your x-rays or scans. And neither x-rays or scans cause pain. Vaginal ultrasounds are very painful.

Really? I have had many due to polycystic ovaries and I can assure you they are completely painless. You don't need to penetrate the cervix in any way. Where the f*ck do you get your information? Abortions, on the other hand, are painful.

No they are not. If you don't like them don't have one, or if you are male have a vasectomy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

No one forces you by law to look at your x-rays or scans. And neither x-rays or scans cause pain. Vaginal ultrasounds are very painful.

Really? I have had many due to polycystic ovaries and I can assure you they are completely painless. You don't need to penetrate the cervix in any way. Where the f*ck do you get your information? Abortions, on the other hand, are painful.

Really. Where the f*ck do you get YOUR information? I don't even know what 'you don't need to penetrate the cervix' even means. So it's fine with you having a probe shoved up your body as long as they don't 'penetrate the cervix'. Good to know. And BTW, If you have vaginismus, I can assure you that ANY penetration is extremely painful. I have to assume that you have first hand experience with the pain of abortion, or you would not make the assertion that it is painful. Right...RIGHT?

The mandatory violation of a woman who is seeking a legal medical procedure is effectively rape. It is absolutely outrageous that these sorts of procedures - mostly put forth by men - are allowed.

When opinions like these are thrown around as facts it makes me so worried for our society.

STFU you sanctimonious fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaginal wanding didn't hurt me a bit.
I agree that doctors should follow safe practices before conducting an abortion. If my doctor thinks a vaginal wanding is in order, fine.

The govt ordering that I have to submit to a vaginal wanding under any circumstances whatsoever is completely unacceptable. Being penetrated by any object against your will IS rape, as a PP suggested.

I'm the OP and I later found this quote from Walker:

"We just knew if we signed that law, if we provided the information that more people if they saw that unborn child would make a decision to protect and keep the life of that unborn child."

So the purpose of the law is clear. Guilt, not healthcare.

Why feel guilty ? It's not a human life. It's a parasite. A bundle of cells. Right?

Strongly pro-choice here. For some people, abortion is a very serious and difficult decision. It's a potential human life. I would feel guilty if I had an abortion.

That doesn't mean the govt gets to decide that I have to stay pregnant, or try to bully me into staying pregnant.

If we are going to mete out "guilt" for being careless with potential human life, why don't you work on some laws prohibiting the unregulated distribution of semen? If we didn't have so much unlicensed distribution of semen going on, it would cut way down on abortions. Right?

As long as women continue to spread their legs, it's unregulated distribution. They can easily regulate it by saying no.

A potential human life? What else could it be potentially?

Keep your dick in your pants, then distribution will be regulated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice?

No one forces you by law to look at your x-rays or scans. And neither x-rays or scans cause pain. Vaginal ultrasounds are very painful.

No. They are not. I have had at least 50, if not more. Most women who go through IVF do. They are not the least bit painful. As a matter of fact, it is more painful/uncomfortable to have a papsmear.

FWIW - I am pro-choice and don't understand why EITHER side of the fence is making this into a debate. Transvaginal ultrasounds are helpful for dating the embryo. I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that there are different methods based on how far along you are. That being said, it is my uterus/embryo - let me make the best choice for MYSELF medically with assistance from my doctor - without dictating to me based on YOUR political agenda.

Because once the govt begins to dictate that you have to have certain gynecological/obstetric procedures, inserting themselves into the doctor/patient relationship, specifically targeted at women's reproduction, where does the long arm of the vaginal wand stop?

So let's not require it. Let's let a vaginal ultrasound - or any ultrasound is strictly a woman's choice. Are you willing to require a woman to sign a legal document stating the facility and doctor have no legal liability if something goes wrong? After all, you can be wrong about the date, the structure of your uterus, or whether or not you have a tubal pregnancy.

You are assuming 1. that the ultrasounds are for women's health and 2. that abortions without ultrasounds have been so routinely bothered that this law was just necessary. Where is the evidence that this law is medically unnecessary and that politicians know better than doctors?

[jsteele]

If you want conservatives to oppose ultrasounds, just get Obamacare to pay for them. At that point, ultrasounds will be violating conservatives' religious freedom.