Mindy Kaling's Brother Pretended to Be Black to Get Into Med School

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.

That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Your white husband probably received a different type of affirmative action (AA). I don't know about other states, but at least in Florida, white, first generation, disadvantage kids were given similar AA consideration at UF, FSU and USF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A 31 is a good MCAT score for anyone so it's not like they accepted a mediocre student when he applied as a black person. I don't give much weight to GPA because a lot of undergraduate schools inflate it anyway. A mediocre GPA doesn't mean a person will be a bad doctor. Gettinging into med school takes more than just have a good gpa.

Even if he applied as an Indian somewhere else I'm sure with a 31 MCAT he would have gotten in somewhere.

Shh, don't bring logic into a race-hate discussion. Shame on you. This is DCUM and we don't care about logic and facts, we only want affirmation for our own thoughts and beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did this work?
How did no one catch the discrepancy on his transcripts?
Lot of holes in this story. He is a con artist.[/quote]

He is estranged from his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

So you're saying that whites should be denied entry with your scores despite the fact they will do just as well.

That's how I read that post also. Sure, whites and Asians might do just as well as her, but she deserves the spot simply because she grew up with a dad who had a 6th grade education and was 'underprivileged'.

TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

[Anonymous]

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TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

What in the world?? That is just silly. She's simply more deserving because of the color of her skin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

My ancestors never benefitted from free labor. Were your ancestors slaves? Probably not, but you will claim they were to help further your arguement. There were far more African slaves in South America than in North America, you never hear about themconstantly asking for freebies.

Not to mention the massive cost of freebies already doled out over the years. Oh, and the 750,000 people that died to end slavery.

Yeah, you aren't owed shit.

If you are living in the U.S. then yes you benefited from my ancestors free labor. A lot of blacks in those countries are poor and struggling as well. Brazil has more blacks than any country outside of Africa and we see how poorly they are faring.

Jews and the Japanese who were in interment camps received reparations so why not African Americans.

[Anonymous]

Well that is an awfully low GPA to be a doctor. Good thing he did drop out. What's frightening tho is affirmative action allowed him to take a spot that someone smarter lost out on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

My ancestors never benefitted from free labor. Were your ancestors slaves? Probably not, but you will claim they were to help further your arguement. There were far more African slaves in South America than in North America, you never hear about themconstantly asking for freebies.

Not to mention the massive cost of freebies already doled out over the years. Oh, and the 750,000 people that died to end slavery.

Yeah, you aren't owed shit.

If you are living in the U.S. then yes you benefited from my ancestors free labor. A lot of blacks in those countries are poor and struggling as well. Brazil has more blacks than any country outside of Africa and we see how poorly they are faring.

Jews and the Japanese who were in interment camps received reparations so why not African Americans.

LOL, reparations are hilarious. All the graveyards around the country holding the dead bodies of people died to free slaves would think differently. You just want something free, typical

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

So you're saying that whites should be denied entry with your scores despite the fact they will do just as well.

That's how I read that post also. Sure, whites and Asians might do just as well as her, but she deserves the spot simply because she grew up with a dad who had a 6th grade education and was 'underprivileged'.

TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

Ummm why? Blind admissions based on GPA, SATs, extracurricular actives and accomplishments. SES and Race shouldn't be used for anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well that is an awfully low GPA to be a doctor. Good thing he did drop out. What's frightening tho is affirmative action allowed him to take a spot that someone smarter lost out on.

What is particularly bad about this is that people are now going to think AA doctors have lower grades and scores than other's and maybe are sub-par. This is a bad policy all around.

[Anonymous]

He's an ethical bottom-feeder.

Nothing at all to proud of in this ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that is an awfully low GPA to be a doctor. Good thing he did drop out. What's frightening tho is affirmative action allowed him to take a spot that someone smarter lost out on.

What is particularly bad about this is that people are now going to think AA doctors have lower grades and scores than other's and maybe are sub-par. This is a bad policy all around.

Ummm, yeah

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that is an awfully low GPA to be a doctor. Good thing he did drop out. What's frightening tho is affirmative action allowed him to take a spot that someone smarter lost out on.

What is particularly bad about this is that people are now going to think AA doctors have lower grades and scores than other's and maybe are sub-par. This is a bad policy all around.

Nah, just like-minded people like yourself. Ben Carson, and he is not alone, was accepted under AA. Yes, he has said as much. I use Dr. Carson's name because so many on these boards are familiar with his work and/or accomplishments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that is an awfully low GPA to be a doctor. Good thing he did drop out. What's frightening tho is affirmative action allowed him to take a spot that someone smarter lost out on.

What is particularly bad about this is that people are now going to think AA doctors have lower grades and scores than other's and maybe are sub-par. This is a bad policy all around.

Nah, just like-minded people like yourself. Ben Carson, and he is not alone, was accepted under AA. Yes, he has said as much. I use Dr. Carson's name because so many on these boards are familiar with his work and/or accomplishments.

Not really, it's an undertone throughout the medical field

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

My ancestors never benefitted from free labor. Were your ancestors slaves? Probably not, but you will claim they were to help further your arguement. There were far more African slaves in South America than in North America, you never hear about themconstantly asking for freebies.

Not to mention the massive cost of freebies already doled out over the years. Oh, and the 750,000 people that died to end slavery.

Yeah, you aren't owed shit.

If you are living in the U.S. then yes you benefited from my ancestors free labor. A lot of blacks in those countries are poor and struggling as well. Brazil has more blacks than any country outside of Africa and we see how poorly they are faring.

Jews and the Japanese who were in interment camps received reparations so why not African Americans.

LOL, reparations are hilarious. All the graveyards around the country holding the dead bodies of people died to free slaves would think differently. You just want something free, typical

I haven't been given anything free but I do think certain groups deserve special consideration being that these groups were unfairly harmed based purely on skin color for the last several centuries. Let's not forget Jim Crow of which many of our parents and grandparents were alive during this time.