My 15 year old admitted to trying pot

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, the person who wrote about complex meds and speaking with the psychiatrist is absolutely spot on and I suspect it is someone who works with adolescents with substance abuse issues and ADHD, as I do. I cannot emphasize enough how good that advice was. When I treat adolescents who have substance abuse issues it is almost always because they are self-medicating and in my experience, pot is the self-medicator for ADHD that is not being treated medically.

The key to this is finding the right ADHD medication and being insistent that using any other type of drug is not acceptable. Go to a psychiatrist who specializes in adolescent ADHD, sometimes they have wrap around services for executive functioning skills and organization as well.

Ignore everyone who says you are overreacting, you are not.


so would you force him to take adhd meds?


I am the person who wrote about "complex meds" and suggested a psychiatrist AND a therapist. I would NOT "force" him to take meds. To me, that means that a parent literally stands over a child and forces them to take meds. Of course, I am not suggesting that. What I am suggesting is that the parent takes the parent/child struggle aspect out of this decision making process, by calling in other professionals.

As a parent you can not make your DS take meds, but you can say, "You know what, I respect that the other meds made you feel "not right" (or whatever his description is). But, neither you nor I are qualified to make med decisions. I've made appointments with a psychotherapist and a psychiatrist. The therapist is there to help you (and I if necessary) talk about ADHD and how it makes you feel and any strategies you can use that DON"T involve medication. Because I respect your input on medication, I hope that you will respect me when I say that smoking pot is not the way to handle a problem and can be create new problems in people who have ADHD. I respect what you're saying about how the last medication made you feel. I am asking you to respect what I am saying about the fact that medications can be quite helpful. I'm going to insist that you see one of the three therapists on this list and one of the three psychiatrists on this list. What you decide about meds after having worked with them for X number of months is up to you."

Your child is 15. Physically, you are probably no longer in a position to "make" him do much of anything. Yes, you can take away all privileges, etc., and you may get him to do something that way, but that approach will likely create other problems and a power dynamic struggle.

When a child is so close to 18, it is really necessary to move to more of a partnership. Be open to hear what they have to say. Try not to get angry or upset about anything. Call in other experts. Make it clear that you are concerned not because he is "bad" or "headed down the wrong path" but because you want him to have a happy, healthy life.

Perhaps the best reason to LISTEN to what he has to say about meds is that HE may be RIGHT. It does happen that adolescents are given incorrect diagnoses. My own son was quick to be diagnosed with ADD/Inattentive, when what is really at issue is learning disorders. The right school and the right instruction means that he really doesn't need meds, at least not right now. I also know, based on family experience, that adolescent ADHD is sometimes diagnosed where bipolar depression ultimately becomes the more accurate diagnosis, but it is not clear until the child has gotten older or been on ADHD meds for awhile. ADHD meds, many of which are stimulant drugs, can often drive a sense of anxiety or mania in people who are bipolar or really have anxiety issues instead of or in addition to ADHD. You need to listen to your child, get him/her hooked up with a therapist and psychiatrist that can listen, respond and try a variety of different strategies and medications (CBT, patient education, mood stabilizer, other non-stimulant ADHD meds, executive function/academic support, etc.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, the person who wrote about complex meds and speaking with the psychiatrist is absolutely spot on and I suspect it is someone who works with adolescents with substance abuse issues and ADHD, as I do. I cannot emphasize enough how good that advice was. When I treat adolescents who have substance abuse issues it is almost always because they are self-medicating and in my experience, pot is the self-medicator for ADHD that is not being treated medically.

The key to this is finding the right ADHD medication and being insistent that using any other type of drug is not acceptable. Go to a psychiatrist who specializes in adolescent ADHD, sometimes they have wrap around services for executive functioning skills and organization as well.

Ignore everyone who says you are overreacting, you are not.


so would you force him to take adhd meds?


Yes absolutely. Because he needs them. If he doesn't take the appropriate monitored prescribed medication he will smoke pot in order to focus, that's what I see happen time and time again. I would try for medicinal marijuana if the doctor would approve of that but I wouldn't be comfortable letting my teen smoke whatever he could get.


NP here, and I am not advocating for pot to be prescribed for teenagers- but I was diagnosed at 8 with ADHD, was on meds till 13 and decided I didn't want them in my system and stopped. As an adult, I struggled with my ADHD while trying to work full time and finish a grad program, and tried medication again as an adult... I can say from experience that ADHD meds are much harder and more mind altering then pot. I use pot as an adult at times recreationally and it is far better for me than any ADHD med I have tried, and I tried many...

self- medicating and drug abuse is serious... but I personally dislike hard drugs prescribed by doctors that change your personality and the hypocrisy when it comes to pot. don't delude yourselves that ADHD meds are legal so they must be harmless, and pot is bad and messes with your brain because it is illegal... this is where it gets complex in my opinion... You said you were depressed about your son trying pot the first time and now you want to force him to take speed? WTF?

The biggest problem is there is no perfect ADHD medication, effects and dosages vary for each user... it is hard as a kid who is already being singled out for being different to go through months of being a guinea pig hoping to find the right RX, while you go through manic stages, stop eating, or feel depressed for no reason... I am not saying let him off the hook for trying an illegal substance, and especially not at school...but this forced meds convo is terrifying, I am lucky my parents trusted me to make that call for myself- I can't imagine being forced to take meds that effect me as strongly as these meds do...You have no idea what you are even forcing on them...
Anonymous
Don't' believe he only did it once, either.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but I am still having trouble with the whole "leaving campus" thing. What school allows this? Why would parents want their kids leaving school grounds, especially when they aren't old enough to drive themselves to appointments, or whatever reason it is that they have?
Nothing good comes from leaving campus. They're doing drugs.


Kids leave campus because this is a small school and there is no on site cafeteria.

I went to a catholic high school, everyone left for lunch. Heck, even kids in grade eight leave for lunch.


What, no one brown bags lunch anymore? No wonder our kids are so fat.
Anonymous
OP here. I did respect his input on meds but clearly it has not been working. he out and out refused to try another med yet had no plan for how he will improve things. he just wanted the school to accept the fact that he acts out. he said they wee too strict.

anyway, I had a long talk with him.
he is now, after what seems like forever, willing to try vyvanse.

he said concerta made him sad and mopey. I told him he has nothing to lose and lots to gain by trying meds again. it was hard watching him not even want to try it.

PP I'm pretty sure it was once. he confided in his brother about it. however, he admitted he liked it. another lie.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, the person who wrote about complex meds and speaking with the psychiatrist is absolutely spot on and I suspect it is someone who works with adolescents with substance abuse issues and ADHD, as I do. I cannot emphasize enough how good that advice was. When I treat adolescents who have substance abuse issues it is almost always because they are self-medicating and in my experience, pot is the self-medicator for ADHD that is not being treated medically.

The key to this is finding the right ADHD medication and being insistent that using any other type of drug is not acceptable. Go to a psychiatrist who specializes in adolescent ADHD, sometimes they have wrap around services for executive functioning skills and organization as well.

Ignore everyone who says you are overreacting, you are not.


so would you force him to take adhd meds?


I would and I do force my adhd son to take meds. It's not that I have to force him, it's not an option. I'm the parent and I make medical decisions for him, he wouldn't expect there to be a choice.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, the person who wrote about complex meds and speaking with the psychiatrist is absolutely spot on and I suspect it is someone who works with adolescents with substance abuse issues and ADHD, as I do. I cannot emphasize enough how good that advice was. When I treat adolescents who have substance abuse issues it is almost always because they are self-medicating and in my experience, pot is the self-medicator for ADHD that is not being treated medically.

The key to this is finding the right ADHD medication and being insistent that using any other type of drug is not acceptable. Go to a psychiatrist who specializes in adolescent ADHD, sometimes they have wrap around services for executive functioning skills and organization as well.

Ignore everyone who says you are overreacting, you are not.


so would you force him to take adhd meds?


I would and I do force my adhd son to take meds. It's not that I have to force him, it's not an option. I'm the parent and I make medical decisions for him, he wouldn't expect there to be a choice.


How old is your child?
Anonymous
OP here.
he agrees to try the med for two weeks to see how it goes.

he says he hates medication because it isn't the real him. he feels fake. he says he is bothered by the idea of taking something that changes who he is. he says when he was on meds, he wondered if his friends liked the real him since they mostly saw him medicated. he also felt his achievements on meds were not his but rather due to the meds.
I think he feels somehow defective.

anyway. he will try but I hope the effort isn't half hearted.
Anonymous
OP again. sorry no caps.

I will have him talk to his psychologist about this.
Anonymous
Good idea OP. Sounds like he needs to talk to someone about his ADHD, identity, and what it means for his life that he has ADHD. Can you buy him a book on famous/successful people who have ADHD? I don't know if such a thing exists but there are many about people with Aspergers and Dyslexia (e.g. Thinking Differently--author is young and really funny and inspiring). I really respect your DS's desire to find out who he is without meds. He is trying to make sense of his diagnosis. Sounds like he clearly needs support around this--someone to talk to.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but I am still having trouble with the whole "leaving campus" thing. What school allows this? Why would parents want their kids leaving school grounds, especially when they aren't old enough to drive themselves to appointments, or whatever reason it is that they have?
Nothing good comes from leaving campus. They're doing drugs.


I know seriously, what schools in this are do this? I would never let me kids go to one of those schools.


You don't trust your kids?

I don't trust their judgment. Get a bunch of kids together without supervision and some bad stuff is going to happen. Your head is in the sand, my friend.


You won't ever let your kids go out alone, even in the upper years of high school?! When will they ever learn to take care of themselves and how to make good decisions? And then you're going to send them off to college to screw up because they are finally out from under mommy & daddy's thumb, but they have no idea how to handle it! It's helicopter parents like you whose kids are going crazy at college because they've never been given any freedom or responsibilities. My DD is a freshman right now and is shocked at some of the kids who can't figure out how to get around by themselves, let alone make good decisions about their behavior. She says many of them talk about never having had any freedom while at home so they are so happy and excited to be free…to say that she and her friends who had reasonable parents find it pathetic is an understatement...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I would let this be a warning that if it ever happens again you will rescind the off-campus privileges. I believe in second chances and believe that kids should know consequences in advance. That way they make informed decisions. I would also speak with him about ADHD and the correlation between impulsivity and addiction of any kind and that he is basically at risk so he has to be extra careful.


Seriously? Hadn't he already been told not to do drugs? What's more, he did them at school! This is very serious.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, you can't be with your 15 year old 24 hours a day. If you take everyone's advice and NOT allow him to leave school at lunch, he'll do it after school if he really wants to. All you can do is really talk to him about it. Try to be open because a lot of kids are smoking pot and if you get all commando on him, he will find the time to do anyway.


No. Most kids do NOT smoke pot. At a "Freedom from Chemical Dependency" talk at my son's school, the speaker (a former addict) shared stats about drug use and emphasized that it is very important NOT to normalize experimentation with drugs or alcohol.
Anonymous
OP here, tomorrow he starts his meds. Hope it goes well.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I picked him up from school, he seemed weird. I told him I was taking him for his bloodwork, he had a physical the day before. This was just a regular blood test. He flipped and refused to have the blood test. I then got suspicious. He totally denied it.

His friend at school smokes pot at school often. My son is open with me about this. My son always said it was dumb. Fast forward to today, he admitted to his brother that he tried pot once AT school. His brother told us. Son totally denied it for hours. He said he lied to his brother about it just to see his reaction. Then later he admitted it to his brother again and we heard. He still denied it to us until hours later.

I am livid about his lying and the drug use.
FWIW, he said he wanted to see what it was like and he didn't like it.
Son has adhd. I am so disappointed.

I may refuse to let him leave the school for breaks. He needs written permission to leave.
What should the punishment be?



ADHD boys are limit-testers. It doesn't excuse the behavior -- but puts it in a framework. He tried it. He didn't like it. He's unlikely to try it again.
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