Secular family values rock!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously."

You do realize most Christian churches do not operate this way?

I'm glad we are raising our kids with Christianity, certainly not this misrepresentation of it. Do what you want in your own home, but don't paint religion with such a broad brush.

That's what makes me laugh. You are raising your children in a "Christian" household. However, your Christianity is different from someone else's idea of Christianity. So what's the sense of following a religion when beliefs are all over the place?

totally ridiculous this a la carte approach to believing in some higher entity

She is raising her kids in a Christian household. And yes, Christian denominations differ in some ways but are mostly similar.

All of them believe that Jesus died on a cross to redeem our sins and all who believe in him will live forever in heaven

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously."

You do realize most Christian churches do not operate this way?

I'm glad we are raising our kids with Christianity, certainly not this misrepresentation of it. Do what you want in your own home, but don't paint religion with such a broad brush.

That's what makes me laugh. You are raising your children in a "Christian" household. However, your Christianity is different from someone else's idea of Christianity. So what's the sense of following a religion when beliefs are all over the place?

totally ridiculous this a la carte approach to believing in some higher entity

She is raising her kids in a Christian household. And yes, Christian denominations differ in some ways but are mostly similar.

All of them believe that Jesus died on a cross to redeem our sins and all who believe in him will live forever in heaven

right

And then there are those who believe in birth control who go against the church's beliefs. There are those who support gay rights and go against the church's beliefs. There are those who redefine their religious beliefs to suit themselves.

So what's the sense in believing if you're going to make up your own version?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously."

You do realize most Christian churches do not operate this way?

I'm glad we are raising our kids with Christianity, certainly not this misrepresentation of it. Do what you want in your own home, but don't paint religion with such a broad brush.

That's what makes me laugh. You are raising your children in a "Christian" household. However, your Christianity is different from someone else's idea of Christianity. So what's the sense of following a religion when beliefs are all over the place?

totally ridiculous this a la carte approach to believing in some higher entity

She is raising her kids in a Christian household. And yes, Christian denominations differ in some ways but are mostly similar.

All of them believe that Jesus died on a cross to redeem our sins and all who believe in him will live forever in heaven

right

And then there are those who believe in birth control who go against the church's beliefs. There are those who support gay rights and go against the church's beliefs. There are those who redefine their religious beliefs to suit themselves.

So what's the sense in believing if you're going to make up your own version?

There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously."

You do realize most Christian churches do not operate this way?

I'm glad we are raising our kids with Christianity, certainly not this misrepresentation of it. Do what you want in your own home, but don't paint religion with such a broad brush.

That's what makes me laugh. You are raising your children in a "Christian" household. However, your Christianity is different from someone else's idea of Christianity. So what's the sense of following a religion when beliefs are all over the place?

totally ridiculous this a la carte approach to believing in some higher entity

She is raising her kids in a Christian household. And yes, Christian denominations differ in some ways but are mostly similar.

All of them believe that Jesus died on a cross to redeem our sins and all who believe in him will live forever in heaven

right

And then there are those who believe in birth control who go against the church's beliefs. There are those who support gay rights and go against the church's beliefs. There are those who redefine their religious beliefs to suit themselves.

So what's the sense in believing if you're going to make up your own version?

There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts

And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?

get it?

And who's setting the rules in religion? humans

[Anonymous]

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And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?

get it?

And who's setting the rules in religion? humans

The world is and always has been full of chaos and cruelty. So, how could I possibly have faith in anything that was predictable? The one sure thing life has taught me is that predictions (except of the kind of trivial things they predict in chemistry and physics) are a chimera. It is the unpredictable that is always true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?

get it?

And who's setting the rules in religion? humans

The world is and always has been full of chaos and cruelty. So, how could I possibly have faith in anything that was predictable? The one sure thing life has taught me is that predictions (except of the kind of trivial things they predict in chemistry and physics) are a chimera. It is the unpredictable that is always true.

so . . . b/c religion is unpredictable, you therefore have faith in a supreme being

[Anonymous]

Make it up as you go along and use cnn and msnbc as your moral compass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?

because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.

I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?

because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.

I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.

NP here. I don't think that the "secular people" are trying to convince you to forsake your faith. We are just trying to make you see that we're not shitty people with no moral compass just because we're not religious.

p.s. Prisons are full of religious people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?

because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.

I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.

NP here. I don't think that the "secular people" are trying to convince you to forsake your faith. We are just trying to make you see that we're not shitty people with no moral compass just because we're not religious.

p.s. Prisons are full of religious people.

You shouldn't care so much what they think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?

because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.

I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.

It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.

It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?

because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.

I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.

It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.

It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?

Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I went in grieving deeply and came out wishing I could clear my head of the hateful rants of a very angry man. And so glad we're not raising our kids religiously."

You do realize most Christian churches do not operate this way?

I'm glad we are raising our kids with Christianity, certainly not this misrepresentation of it. Do what you want in your own home, but don't paint religion with such a broad brush.

That's what makes me laugh. You are raising your children in a "Christian" household. However, your Christianity is different from someone else's idea of Christianity. So what's the sense of following a religion when beliefs are all over the place?

totally ridiculous this a la carte approach to believing in some higher entity

She is raising her kids in a Christian household. And yes, Christian denominations differ in some ways but are mostly similar.

All of them believe that Jesus died on a cross to redeem our sins and all who believe in him will live forever in heaven

but some believe it metaphorically, which means, I think, that they like the idea of it, but don't really think (or are not really sure) that they will literally go up to heaven when they die. They are too educated in modern thought and science to believe that.

[Anonymous]

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There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts

And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?

get it?

And who's setting the rules in religion? humans

Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.

Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before (often from you, and see how effective that was?)

More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.

You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts

And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?

get it?

And who's setting the rules in religion? humans

Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.

Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before. (Often from you, and see how effective that was?)

More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.

You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.