The Hannah graham suspect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The suspect in the violent rape in Fairfax, which is tied by DNA to Morgan Harrington, would now be 30 - 40 years old.

http://www.readthehook.com/67132/morgans-killer-fairfax-case-connection-offers-hope-fresh-fear

Suspect in Hannah Graham case used to drive a cab. Check out the short hair.
http://www.c-ville.com/hannah-graham-case-poi-worked-cab-driver/#.VCQbP8fD-Um

You do realized alot of young college women have disappeared in the last 20 years in that area. Remember The Route 29 Stalker.......
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/23115645/12-investigates-women-disappearing-from-route-29
http://news.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2013/03/01/evidence-in-29-stalker-to-get-new-look/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The evidence they have against him is circumstantial. There is no camera footage of her getting in the car with him. It doesn't take a lot to meet the probable cause evidence test to be able to charge someone. They charged him with that so that they would be able to arrest him and then have him held without bond. The reckless driving charges would not have been enough to keep him held with no bond.

I hope all the people who are assuming he is guilty have to come face to face with the justice system one day and then suddenly remember that in this country we are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, and not the other way around.

True, but his ACTIONS lead many to believe that he is guilty of something. Why run if you have nothing to hide?

Because the police think you are a (serial) murderer. You guys have already decided he's guilty. He probably thinks he has no chance if he didn't do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if this guy was white, I don't think we would be hearing some many speeches about how the police are looking to railroad someone. Something to think about. Frankly, the fact that a few posters seem to think nothing about the rights of the victim but are all a tither if anyone suggests that the suspect has done anything wrong is disturbing.

A PP here. I think that a lot of people (White people) in this thread are missing the point that some PP's are trying to make. I do not think that any of us can say definitively whether he is innocent or guilty based on what the police have released so far. What people are trying to say is that his flight is not evidence of guilt to them. In other words, folks are rebutting the whole "innocent people don't flee" premise. What we are saying is that, under certain circumstances, innocent people do flee and we need more facts to say he is absolutely without a doubt guilty.

More than anything, I want peace and closure for HER family.

No I understand it exactly but not the vehemence with which it is constantly repeated as if he should be the object of sympathy. And I'll add, the stranger last seen with the missing girl is almost always her killer, so while there is some chance that he may not have done it, it is not as if police are acting irrationally here.

Interesting...because I did not see anyone showing sympathy for him - but maybe you and I have different definitions of "sympathy." People are saying that innocent or guilty, they understand why he would flee. Beyond that, you may be imputing your own emotions into the issue.

No one accused the police of acting irrationally either. Despite what L&O, CSI and Investigation Discovery lead us to think, the police have not yet released the "smoking gun" - evidence that they may have that may remove all reasonable doubt about his guilt. I am NOT saying that he did not do it, but all this DCUM armchair detective work is a bit tiresome when we ALL have the same info.

[Anonymous]

Agreed. This whole "poor black man, felt like society wouldn't treat him fairly so he ran" - BULL. No one is denying that blacks can get treated worse than whites in our justice system. But the majority of people arrested for a crime committed it. And if he were white and the last one seen with her, and ran, the manhunt would have been just as publicized etc.

Yet still, an unarmed black man gets shot by a state trooper just because he is reaching for his license as the trooper asked......
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The evidence they have against him is circumstantial. There is no camera footage of her getting in the car with him. It doesn't take a lot to meet the probable cause evidence test to be able to charge someone. They charged him with that so that they would be able to arrest him and then have him held without bond. The reckless driving charges would not have been enough to keep him held with no bond.

I hope all the people who are assuming he is guilty have to come face to face with the justice system one day and then suddenly remember that in this country we are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, and not the other way around.

True, but his ACTIONS lead many to believe that he is guilty of something. Why run if you have nothing to hide?

Because the police think you are a (serial) murderer. You guys have already decided he's guilty. He probably thinks he has no chance if he didn't do it.

OMG seriously? He looks guilty bc he didn't come forward initially and he ran. If he hadn't done those things, he'd have much more of a chance in the court of public opinion. Why is that so hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why make up a story about how sad and unfair life is for this criminal? This time he got caught. No he has not been tried yet, but it seems like there is a lot of evidence. At a certain point it is hard to argue that he is the innocent victim.

No one has argued he is a victim, but by law he remains innocent until proven guilty. You say it "seems" like there is a lot of evidence however the police have not released it. It's been stated here and in articles many times already that the probable cause burden is easy to meet. Why insinuate that "this time" is not the first time he has done this without providing a single piece of fact you would base that on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The evidence they have against him is circumstantial. There is no camera footage of her getting in the car with him. It doesn't take a lot to meet the probable cause evidence test to be able to charge someone. They charged him with that so that they would be able to arrest him and then have him held without bond. The reckless driving charges would not have been enough to keep him held with no bond.

I hope all the people who are assuming he is guilty have to come face to face with the justice system one day and then suddenly remember that in this country we are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, and not the other way around.

True, but his ACTIONS lead many to believe that he is guilty of something. Why run if you have nothing to hide?

Because the police think you are a (serial) murderer. You guys have already decided he's guilty. He probably thinks he has no chance if he didn't do it.

OMG seriously? He looks guilty bc he didn't come forward initially and he ran. If he hadn't done those things, he'd have much more of a chance in the court of public opinion. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's true it doesn't help him, but read this quote from Charlotesville defense attorney Scott Goodman from this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/bond-denied-for-man-accused-in-case-of-missing-u-va-student-hannah-graham/2014/09/25/f32b10cc-44b1-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html :

"Goodman was not surprised that police publicly put pressure on Matthew before they had enough evidence to charge him. 'They want them to make a mistake because it’s unnerving to be the object of wanted posters and daily press conferences that call you to come in,” Goodman said. “It unnerves an average person. .?.?. It’s a tactic they teach in police school. It’s legal. .?.?. There’s nothing wrong with the police using every trick in the toolbox.”

Good thing he's not being tried in the court of public opinion, where everyone is guilty until proven innocent!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still betting he has a history of using the date-rape drugs and/or they found some in his apartment or car. I still don't think he intended to kill HG, but I wouldn't be surprised if he drugged her and killed her "accidentally" (from the drug interaction with the alcohol or other medicines/drugs in her system) while assaulting her.

He doesn't fit the profile of a maniacal killer, but he sure doesn't fit the profile of an innocent man.

This is what I believe too.

[Anonymous]

Just curious if those who are reminding us that yes, he is innocent until proven guilty were as vehement on this point regarding the Ruth ann lodato suspect?

[Anonymous]

Why do you think they found i him in galveston camping on a beach? He was heading to mexico to get away.. why run if you have done nothing wrong?

this guy is going to fry for many rapes and murders in the region.

[Anonymous]

The police want to talk to him. He wouldn't talk before so they had to exert pressure. It's a no-brainer. Wake me when the cops release ANY evidence that he did anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just curious if those who are reminding us that yes, he is innocent until proven guilty were as vehement on this point regarding the Ruth ann lodato suspect?

Not familiar with that case, but in this one given the actual information and evidence that has been released I can't in good conscience believe him to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm hoping the police release something definitive soon, that HG is found hopefully alive and that her family can begin to heal.

I'm not defending him as a person. I'm just defending what I think is one of our most fundamental rights as citizens and that it applies to everyone. I know that if I ever were in a very public trial, that the jury of my peers would value that right as well over whatever their emotions.

[Anonymous]

The only thing I care about is that they get the person who is *responsible* for Hannah's disappearance. I, for one, do think that there is a very good chance that they now have that person in police custody. Are there other people involved,too? I have no idea. But JM sure as heck seems to have something to do with this and my gut says that they will have no problem proving it.

I am not black but I can see how something like this could sting the black community. That only compounds the tragedy of it all. Lots of people have been hurt over this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police want to talk to him. He wouldn't talk before so they had to exert pressure. It's a no-brainer. Wake me when the cops release ANY evidence that he did anything.

Don't plan to sleep too long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The evidence they have against him is circumstantial. There is no camera footage of her getting in the car with him. It doesn't take a lot to meet the probable cause evidence test to be able to charge someone. They charged him with that so that they would be able to arrest him and then have him held without bond. The reckless driving charges would not have been enough to keep him held with no bond.

I hope all the people who are assuming he is guilty have to come face to face with the justice system one day and then suddenly remember that in this country we are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, and not the other way around.

True, but his ACTIONS lead many to believe that he is guilty of something. Why run if you have nothing to hide?

Because the police think you are a (serial) murderer. You guys have already decided he's guilty. He probably thinks he has no chance if he didn't do it.

OMG seriously? He looks guilty bc he didn't come forward initially and he ran. If he hadn't done those things, he'd have much more of a chance in the court of public opinion. Why is that so hard to understand?

Another PP here. It is not hard to understand at all - that's why were attemtping to give folks a different perspective based on our own knowledge and experience. In my experience, killers do not head to the police station first off. But whatever - my opinion of his guilt or innocence is as worhtless as a wooden nickel. I just do not buy into the whole notion of someone "looking guilty." Because that notion has gotten people uneccesarily killed. They have him in custody and hopefully we will all have answers soon. But all this amatur sleuthing and prosecuting is for the birds.