Easiest IVY to get into?

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Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

A white girl with those stats might not get into HYP but she will most certainly get into Penn and/or Northwestern, so what exactly are you bitching about?

Show me the bitching, please?

I analyzed the admissions info that Princeton published. Seeing the actual numbers of acceptances in various categories gave me a better understanding of just how incredibly competitive the process is at schools like HYP.

Not sure why this factual information - linked to a cited source - is generating such hostility.

Well stated. Good for you for keeping your cool, PP.

The numbers are stark. Until I looked at the numbers as posted I hadn't really realized just how difficult it is to get in to one of the Ivies. PP, your friend's child is fortunate that you were able to analyze the numbers. I am sorry that she was disappointed. The college application process is much more difficult these days than when my husband and I attended university.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

What kind of a bubble do you live in that you don't know any Asians, women, or multi racial students? Why narrow the funnel to focus on the impact on white boys? I could do the same mathematical exercise with any group.

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

How many seniors like that exist each year? I'd assume a few thousand? Of course not all of them can get into Princeton or an "Ivy plus" peer. How many even apply? Overwhelming majority of kids prefer to stay close to home.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

What kind of a bubble do you live in that you don't know any Asians, women, or multi racial students? Why narrow the funnel to focus on the impact on white boys? I could do the same mathematical exercise with any group.

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

How many seniors like that exist each year? I'd assume a few thousand? Of course not all of them can get into Princeton or an "Ivy plus" peer. How many even apply? Overwhelming majority of kids prefer to stay close to home.

Princeton rejects 5 valedictorians for every 1 it accepts.

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^ That's obviously a bullshit made up stat.

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College admissions decisions are made before it's clear who the HS valedictorians are.

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Anonymous wrote:^ That's obviously a bullshit made up stat.

You really think so, do you? Not even close to a stretch statistically. There are 35,000 high schools in America. They receive applications from 9,000 different schools, with almost 11,000 (40% of their applicant pool) students with perfect GPAs (highest possible GPA as measured on a 4.0 scale with no silly bumps). So, it would stand to reason that about 40% of the 9,000 schools represented in the pool had their valedictorian apply, including ties. Which means about 3,500 valedictorians. How many of this group do you think got in? Perhaps 500 to 700, when all other institutional priorities are considered. Not a bulkshit stat, dude. They can fill their class 5 times over with perfect GPAs...fact.

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Anonymous wrote:College admissions decisions are made before it's clear who the HS valedictorians are.

+1 fake admissions data is the best

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Anonymous wrote:^ That's obviously a bullshit made up stat.

You really think so, do you? Not even close to a stretch statistically. There are 35,000 high schools in America. They receive applications from 9,000 different schools, with almost 11,000 (40% of their applicant pool) students with perfect GPAs (highest possible GPA as measured on a 4.0 scale with no silly bumps). So, it would stand to reason that about 40% of the 9,000 schools represented in the pool had their valedictorian apply, including ties. Which means about 3,500 valedictorians. How many of this group do you think got in? Perhaps 500 to 700, when all other institutional priorities are considered. Not a bulkshit stat, dude. They can fill their class 5 times over with perfect GPAs...fact.

Where are you sourcing your data to know how many 4.0 unweighted + 36/1600 students exist? Further, over 90% of the high schools in the US are terrible so who gives a shit who's the valedictorian at them?

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The real point here is that perfect scores/GPA aren't what Princeton is looking for. They routinely reject kids with those stats in favor of kids with high but "imperfect" stats. Here's their data:

https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics

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Anonymous wrote:^ That's obviously a bullshit made up stat.

You really think so, do you? Not even close to a stretch statistically. There are 35,000 high schools in America. They receive applications from 9,000 different schools, with almost 11,000 (40% of their applicant pool) students with perfect GPAs (highest possible GPA as measured on a 4.0 scale with no silly bumps). So, it would stand to reason that about 40% of the 9,000 schools represented in the pool had their valedictorian apply, including ties. Which means about 3,500 valedictorians. How many of this group do you think got in? Perhaps 500 to 700, when all other institutional priorities are considered. Not a bulkshit stat, dude. They can fill their class 5 times over with perfect GPAs...fact.

Where are you sourcing your data to know how many 4.0 unweighted + 36/1600 students exist? Further, over 90% of the high schools in the US are terrible so who gives a shit who's the valedictorian at them?

Hostile aren't we without even checking the most obvious place - admissions press release by Princeton. I have no idea about the 36/1600 as I never referenced it. Hard pill to swallow when you realize that 4.0 GPAs are quite common. And most schools in America are not terrible. Typical slanted view, which reminds me of those posters showing an enlarged NYC and DC with nothing between them and LA.

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the easiest to get in and the hardest to get out.

+1

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Cornell, then Dartmouth.

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I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

I posted this a couple of years ago. In the Harvard trial yesterday, the Dean of Admissions said that for the Class of 2016 (admitted in 2012), 794 white students were admitted, and that 314 were legacy or recruited athletes. That leaves 480 spots - if you split them 50/50, that's 240 un-hooked boys and 240 un-hooked girls in the entire USA. Though the number is actually even less than that, once you take out first generation kids. Pretty close to the same number for my back-of-the-envelope estimating for Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:And the Ag School is a NY state school, which means it is easier to get in as a NY resident but not from out-of-state. None of the Ivies is at all easy to get into, and I think this question is ridiculous on lots of levels.

If you get into the ag school, are you stuck studying agriculture related subjects? lol. Or can you switch to another school and major in something else? Just curious.

Who would be stupid enough to lie about a major just to get into a school?

Actually, the Ag school has some majors that aren't ag related. My cousin was in the Ag school as an business marketing major. She landed a job at a top ad agency in NYC after graduation.

Not sure if it’s still the case, but 20 years ago you could do a biology degree in the Ag school. Same subject specific classes as the biology degree in the college of arts and sciences. Few differences: at the time tuition was about $7-8k less which made a huge difference for my loan balance 2. There is a restriction on the number of classes you can take from outside the state colleges without needing to pay the tuition difference. 3. I don’t think I was required to take a language, but did anyway. I believe there is also an engineering program in the ag school.

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the easiest to get in and the hardest to get out.

+1

+2. This is a true statement.