Easiest IVY to get into?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the easiest to get in and the hardest to get out.

If it's the hardest to get out, it's because they admit lower quality students.

I've never known anyone go to Cornell who was any smarter than kids going to other state schools. The brilliant Ivy-bound kids always went somewhere else.

No, it's because Cornell actually expects kids to earn their degree. Not a Cornell supporter but it's well known fact in college circle.

BS. Cornell admits less qualified students. Put them in other Ivies where they wouldn't hold their own intellectually and suddenly they would look "harder to get out."

Mind you, Cornell students aren't dumb. They just are on U. Md. level for the most part, not HYP, Stanford, MIT-level.

BS. The landscape is so competitive these days that HYP and the other ivies just don't have room for all the qualified kids. Any kid who gets into a university that accepts 15% or fewer of students is highly qualified and very impressive.

Signed, Wharton grad (and yes, it does sort of suck)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the easiest to get in and the hardest to get out.

If it's the hardest to get out, it's because they admit lower quality students.

I've never known anyone go to Cornell who was any smarter than kids going to other state schools. The brilliant Ivy-bound kids always went somewhere else.

No, it's because Cornell actually expects kids to earn their degree. Not a Cornell supporter but it's well known fact in college circle.

BS. Cornell admits less qualified students. Put them in other Ivies where they wouldn't hold their own intellectually and suddenly they would look "harder to get out."

Mind you, Cornell students aren't dumb. They just are on U. Md. level for the most part, not HYP, Stanford, MIT-level.

BS. The landscape is so competitive these days that HYP and the other ivies just don't have room for all the qualified kids. Any kid who gets into a university that accepts 15% or fewer of students is highly qualified and very impressive.

Signed, Wharton grad (and yes, it does sort of suck)

I agree. The 75% for SATs at Cornell is 1520/1600 for goodness sake. There's a huge overlap in ability between Harvard students and Cornell students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the easiest to get in and the hardest to get out.

If it's the hardest to get out, it's because they admit lower quality students.

I've never known anyone go to Cornell who was any smarter than kids going to other state schools. The brilliant Ivy-bound kids always went somewhere else.

Two girls I know that had perfect everything, best private school, and were obsessed with Harvard and Yale, respectively, ended up at Cornell. Separately, my best friend's son is studying computer science at Cornell and made literally $25,000 last summer for like 8 or 10 weeks of worth. He just turned 20 years old.

I have no affiliation to the college but I just don't get the Cornell's a joke meme, at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that Cornell is "hands down the least selective Ivy." It's a ridiculous overstatement and oversimplification of a complicated process. You can't compare it to the others. It has 3 NY-state schools, which changes the landscape dramatically. The Colleges of Arts and Sciences and Engineering are no less selective than the other Ivies.

You protest too much. Cornell regularly admits kids who get turned down by other Ivies, and that's just the way it is. A "lesser Ivy" is still better than 99% of the schools out there.

...and students who are turned down by Cornell gets accepted at other Ivies...so what?

[Anonymous]

I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

What kind of a bubble do you live in that you don't know any Asians, women, or multi racial students? Why narrow the funnel to focus on the impact on white boys? I could do the same mathematical exercise with any group.

[Anonymous]

Further, adding back in representation of white males to the groups you casually exclude (over represented in legacy and athletic recruit groups), I will bet you find them represented in proportion to overall U.S. demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

What kind of a bubble do you live in that you don't know any Asians, women, or multi racial students? Why narrow the funnel to focus on the impact on white boys? I could do the same mathematical exercise with any group.

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at the people on this site, constantly putting down an Ivy is "lessor" when in all probability neither they nor their children ever have a chance of admissions..

So true...anyone who has been through process in last 5 yrs knows it is a crap shoot for event he most qualified.
DDs friend could not be a nicer kid - super smart, well rounded accomplished - didn't get into ED ivy. It's rough.

I broke this down last year after a great kid I know didn't get into HYP, but ended up at a "lesser" Ivy where they are thriving. Posted it once before, but will do it again.

These stats are based on Princeton's press release announcing its Class of 2020 admissions results.
https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S45/94/44G37/index.xml?section=topstories

1894 students admitted for the Class of 2020

50.6% are people of color, filling 958 spots

12% are international, filling 227 spots

17.5% are first generation, if you conservatively assume that just one-third of those kids are neither POC or international, you fill another 109 spots

11% are alumni kids, if you estimate two-thirds are not POC or international, that’s another 34 spots

The Yale Daily News reports that Princeton admits about 200 recruited athletes per year. If you assume that just 25% of those athletes aren’t in the categories above, that’s 50 more spots filled.

That’s conservatively 1,378 spots filled, leaving just 516 spots in the class for white, non-legacy, non-athlete applicants whose parents went to college.

Since Princeton admits women and men in equal numbers, that means about 258 "non-hooked" boys and 258 girls got into Princeton last year. The number is probably even lower when you take out Development admits, faculty kids, and others. The only two local kids I'm acquainted with who have gotten into Princeton in the last 3 years were both recruited athletes.

What kind of a bubble do you live in that you don't know any Asians, women, or multi racial students? Why narrow the funnel to focus on the impact on white boys? I could do the same mathematical exercise with any group.

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

Really appreciate the data breakdown, and also your measured response to the PP.

[Anonymous]

Also going against an unhooked white girl into an IVY is her religion for some.

[Anonymous]

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Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

A white girl with those stats might not get into HYP but she will most certainly get into Penn and/or Northwestern, so what exactly are you bitching about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

A white girl with those stats might not get into HYP but she will most certainly get into Penn and/or Northwestern, so what exactly are you bitching about?

Show me the bitching, please?

I analyzed the admissions info that Princeton published. Seeing the actual numbers of acceptances in various categories gave me a better understanding of just how incredibly competitive the process is at schools like HYP.

Not sure why this factual information - linked to a cited source - is generating such hostility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Knock yourself out. My friend's kid is an unhooked white girl, trying to understand not getting into HYP despite being #1 in her class, captain of 2 varsity sports (but not a recruited athlete), having a 35 ACT and 2 800 SAT IIs. So I used the limited data Princeton provided to let her know that only 258 (and probably fewer) unhooked white girls in the entire United States were accepted last year. That number was surprisingly small to both of us, and helped giver her perspective on why she wasn't admitted.

I look forward to the additional insights your analysis will provide.

A white girl with those stats might not get into HYP but she will most certainly get into Penn and/or Northwestern, so what exactly are you bitching about?

Show me the bitching, please?

I analyzed the admissions info that Princeton published. Seeing the actual numbers of acceptances in various categories gave me a better understanding of just how incredibly competitive the process is at schools like HYP.

Not sure why this factual information - linked to a cited source - is generating such hostility.

Agreed, why the hostility to helpful information?