Tell me about UNC - Chapel Hill, from an out of state perspective

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish UVA had a higher in state percentage like UNC. UNC historically has done this as a policy of a state school first and foremost for NC residents. It’s taxpayer funded and therefore needs to be for taxpayer children. Many states have same views with regards to their public universities. The GA of MC has not budged on this ratio for decades. There is pressure on UVA to lower its OOS ratio, not include legacy kids as OOS, to raise its instate, but they won’t. This really hurts Virginia kids. I don’t need kids from Texas or California at UVA to make me feel like it’s a more prestigious school.

UNC In-State Admit Rate - 41%
UVA In-State Admit Rate - 40.3%

You ar not understanding my post. I am not talking about acceptance rates. Don’t be obtuse, By law, UNC has an 82/18 instate/OOS ratio for every incoming freshman class. If their yield results in a larger than 18% OOS then they get a serious financial fine.

You are quoting that 41% of Instate applicants are offered admissions for UNC and 40.3 for UVA. This has nothing to do with the yield of instate and OOS ratios and you probably know that.

13% of OOS applicants to UNC were offered admissions in 2018. https://admissions.unc.edu/apply/class-profile-2/
And that yield may not go over 18% of the incoming freshman student body, this is by law. This law has not changed in decades http://mediahub.unc.edu/university-ratio-unc-systems-82-18-split/

UVA has around 30% OOS yield, and not only that, remember that UVA treats OOS legacy applicants as instate, making it even harder for instate kids to compete. The percentage changes often, but with more people wanting public universities for the good value is a huge push for UVA to accept more instate freshmen. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

So the percentage of instate at UNC is 82%/ 18 OOS,
UVA 70% instate and 30% out of state

Get it straight.

[Anonymous]

I'll just say this. When my kids were applying to college, we lived in Florida. Oldest DD went to UNC for undergrad, Oxford for her graduate degree, and now has an amazing job. Youngest DD went to UVA, has not gone to grad school yet, and has an amazing job she loves. Both of their schools were great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll just say this. When my kids were applying to college, we lived in Florida. Oldest DD went to UNC for undergrad, Oxford for her graduate degree, and now has an amazing job. Youngest DD went to UVA, has not gone to grad school yet, and has an amazing job she loves. Both of their schools were great.

Oh and my youngest DD that went UVA was rejected from UNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish UVA had a higher in state percentage like UNC. UNC historically has done this as a policy of a state school first and foremost for NC residents. It’s taxpayer funded and therefore needs to be for taxpayer children. Many states have same views with regards to their public universities. The GA of MC has not budged on this ratio for decades. There is pressure on UVA to lower its OOS ratio, not include legacy kids as OOS, to raise its instate, but they won’t. This really hurts Virginia kids. I don’t need kids from Texas or California at UVA to make me feel like it’s a more prestigious school.

UNC In-State Admit Rate - 41%
UVA In-State Admit Rate - 40.3%

You ar not understanding my post. I am not talking about acceptance rates. Don’t be obtuse, By law, UNC has an 82/18 instate/OOS ratio for every incoming freshman class. If their yield results in a larger than 18% OOS then they get a serious financial fine.

You are quoting that 41% of Instate applicants are offered admissions for UNC and 40.3 for UVA. This has nothing to do with the yield of instate and OOS ratios and you probably know that.

13% of OOS applicants to UNC were offered admissions in 2018. https://admissions.unc.edu/apply/class-profile-2/
And that yield may not go over 18% of the incoming freshman student body, this is by law. This law has not changed in decades http://mediahub.unc.edu/university-ratio-unc-systems-82-18-split/

UVA has around 30% OOS yield, and not only that, remember that UVA treats OOS legacy applicants as instate, making it even harder for instate kids to compete. The percentage changes often, but with more people wanting public universities for the good value is a huge push for UVA to accept more instate freshmen. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

So the percentage of instate at UNC is 82%/ 18 OOS,
UVA 70% instate and 30% out of state

Get it straight.

Get over yourself and get bent.

[Anonymous]

To PP, what?

[Anonymous]

20 years of fraudulent classes does help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If UNC wanted to really join the big leagues, it would have to let in more oos students.

No. Letting in more OOS, like UVA does, is a budgeting strategy. In the end, it’s in the in state residents that suffer when a public university does this. It’s been well discussed on this forum and in the press how certain schools play with the OOS ratio to increase their funds and balance their budgets. Other schools, like UNC, are unapologetic about sticking to their ratio and not using it to budget.

UNC gets a lot more money per student from the state than UVA and other Virginia schools.

Source?

I'm sure more up to date is out there (and there was something on the UVA website), but here is how it stood a few years ago according to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9da336644522

"U-Va. officials looked at how its per-student state funding compared to that of a handful of other state flagships. For fiscal 2012, they report these numbers: University of North Carolina at $22,105. University of Maryland at $17,494. University of Michigan at $13,024. U-Va. at $8,346."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If UNC wanted to really join the big leagues, it would have to let in more oos students.

No. Letting in more OOS, like UVA does, is a budgeting strategy. In the end, it’s in the in state residents that suffer when a public university does this. It’s been well discussed on this forum and in the press how certain schools play with the OOS ratio to increase their funds and balance their budgets. Other schools, like UNC, are unapologetic about sticking to their ratio and not using it to budget.

UNC gets a lot more money per student from the state than UVA and other Virginia schools.

Source?

I'm sure more up to date is out there (and there was something on the UVA website), but here is how it stood a few years ago according to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9da336644522

"U-Va. officials looked at how its per-student state funding compared to that of a handful of other state flagships. For fiscal 2012, they report these numbers: University of North Carolina at $22,105. University of Maryland at $17,494. University of Michigan at $13,024. U-Va. at $8,346."

That is a huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If UNC wanted to really join the big leagues, it would have to let in more oos students.

No. Letting in more OOS, like UVA does, is a budgeting strategy. In the end, it’s in the in state residents that suffer when a public university does this. It’s been well discussed on this forum and in the press how certain schools play with the OOS ratio to increase their funds and balance their budgets. Other schools, like UNC, are unapologetic about sticking to their ratio and not using it to budget.

UNC gets a lot more money per student from the state than UVA and other Virginia schools.

Source?

I'm sure more up to date is out there (and there was something on the UVA website), but here is how it stood a few years ago according to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9da336644522

"U-Va. officials looked at how its per-student state funding compared to that of a handful of other state flagships. For fiscal 2012, they report these numbers: University of North Carolina at $22,105. University of Maryland at $17,494. University of Michigan at $13,024. U-Va. at $8,346."

That is a huge difference.

This is spending by state. Not specific to UVA and UNC, but you can see the big differential between the two.

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/state-local-funding-student-1000-personal-income-state-2016-17

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If UNC wanted to really join the big leagues, it would have to let in more oos students.

No. Letting in more OOS, like UVA does, is a budgeting strategy. In the end, it’s in the in state residents that suffer when a public university does this. It’s been well discussed on this forum and in the press how certain schools play with the OOS ratio to increase their funds and balance their budgets. Other schools, like UNC, are unapologetic about sticking to their ratio and not using it to budget.

UNC gets a lot more money per student from the state than UVA and other Virginia schools.

Source?

I'm sure more up to date is out there (and there was something on the UVA website), but here is how it stood a few years ago according to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9da336644522

"U-Va. officials looked at how its per-student state funding compared to that of a handful of other state flagships. For fiscal 2012, they report these numbers: University of North Carolina at $22,105. University of Maryland at $17,494. University of Michigan at $13,024. U-Va. at $8,346."

That is a huge difference.

This is spending by state. Not specific to UVA and UNC, but you can see the big differential between the two.

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/state-local-funding-student-1000-personal-income-state-2016-17

Old data and by state not school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If UNC wanted to really join the big leagues, it would have to let in more oos students.

No. Letting in more OOS, like UVA does, is a budgeting strategy. In the end, it’s in the in state residents that suffer when a public university does this. It’s been well discussed on this forum and in the press how certain schools play with the OOS ratio to increase their funds and balance their budgets. Other schools, like UNC, are unapologetic about sticking to their ratio and not using it to budget.

UNC gets a lot more money per student from the state than UVA and other Virginia schools.

Source?

I'm sure more up to date is out there (and there was something on the UVA website), but here is how it stood a few years ago according to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9da336644522

"U-Va. officials looked at how its per-student state funding compared to that of a handful of other state flagships. For fiscal 2012, they report these numbers: University of North Carolina at $22,105. University of Maryland at $17,494. University of Michigan at $13,024. U-Va. at $8,346."

That is a huge difference.

This is spending by state. Not specific to UVA and UNC, but you can see the big differential between the two.

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/state-local-funding-student-1000-personal-income-state-2016-17

Old data and by state not school.

Well, see the URL and quote above that. Here is an article in a UVA publication: http://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/funding-academic-excellence/index.php

[Anonymous]

This thread is 5 1/2 years old. Why revive this??

[Anonymous]

[/b]"20 years of fraudulent classes does help."[b]

[Anonymous]

From the UNC student newspaper:

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/01/oss-0123

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the UNC student newspaper:

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/01/oss-0123

Just talks about financial aid