E. L. Haynes v. Yu Ying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most families at YY send their prek3 to another DCPS or charter. Unless OP wants to keep her three yr old at home why is sending the 3 yr old to Haynes an issue?

+1. Wouldn't the three year old be going somewhere anyway. They can't go to Yu Ying to begin with.

Unless there is another PS3 school the family is excited about? Or would the 3 year old ultimately transfer to YY after a year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Walking distance to Haynes and both kids can go? Seems like a no-brainer to me unless you are gung-ho for Mandarin.

+1 I have no idea how you people get spots at multiple great schools, while other people are shut out of decent options entirely. What an effed up system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I toured Haynes at the relevant time and was very impressed. But as a YY parent who really really wants his kids to learn Chinese, there wouldn't be a choice. Sounds to me like that's not true for you and Haynes might be a better fit.

Of course, one option would be to send them to both schools. You get to try out both for one year and then you have sibling preference for the other for whichever one you like better. On the other hand, that one year would be Mandarin only for your 4YO.

This is what I would do!

not at all what any sane person would do. you're short-changing everyone: the kids, the school/parent community, and chances for those who really want in to get a spot in PreK4. sounds like the most selfish move to me

I agree. Our kids aren't laboratory test subjects, people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I toured Haynes at the relevant time and was very impressed. But as a YY parent who really really wants his kids to learn Chinese, there wouldn't be a choice. Sounds to me like that's not true for you and Haynes might be a better fit.

Of course, one option would be to send them to both schools. You get to try out both for one year and then you have sibling preference for the other for whichever one you like better. On the other hand, that one year would be Mandarin only for your 4YO.

This is what I would do!

not at all what any sane person would do. you're short-changing everyone: the kids, the school/parent community, and chances for those who really want in to get a spot in PreK4. sounds like the most selfish move to me

I agree. Our kids aren't laboratory test subjects, people.

Totally agree.

[Anonymous]

YY does their wait list by application order so it is not luck there. If you want it badly enough you can guarantee yourself a good wait list number by going in person the day the lottery opens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I toured Haynes at the relevant time and was very impressed. But as a YY parent who really really wants his kids to learn Chinese, there wouldn't be a choice. Sounds to me like that's not true for you and Haynes might be a better fit.

Of course, one option would be to send them to both schools. You get to try out both for one year and then you have sibling preference for the other for whichever one you like better. On the other hand, that one year would be Mandarin only for your 4YO.

That is a good idea!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In 2011, 77% of E.L. Haynes students scored proficient or advanced in math and 64% scored proficient or advanced in reading on the DC-CAS, outpacing DC Public and Public Charter Schools' scores of 43% in math and 44% in reading. E.L. Haynes students also outscored DC Public and Public Charter Schools in the percentage of students scoring advanced.


8th Grade Students Scoring Proficient or Advanced on the 2011 DC-CAS


E.L Haynes opened in 2004 serving PK-2nd graders. By 2011, those 2nd graders were 8th graders and had made extraordinary gains. Ninety (90%) scored proficient or advanced in math and 75% scored proficient or advanced in reading. In comparison, across all 8th graders enrolled in DC Public and Public Charter Schools, 54% scored proficient or advanced in math and 45% scored proficient or advanced in reading.


Six-Year Gains in Proficiency on the DC-CAS


E.L. Haynes has demonstrated outstanding six-year gains on the DC-CAS of 47 percentage points in math and 23 percentage points in reading, more than twice the gains in math and three times in reading than DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Statewide gains for the same period are 17 percentage points in math and 7 percentage points in reading.

Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%

[Anonymous]

One question for original posted is if the 3 or 4 year old was the higher one one the waitlist, or did both come off at the same time? Or had the 3 yr old gotten in already and 4 yr old in through sib pref? If it was the 4 yr old who got in and pulled the 3 yr old, that might create problems in that if you decline the 4 yr old, you lose sib pref to pull the 3 yr old and you really are choosing btw the two schools. Otherwise, since YY doesn't have a 3 yr old class, it's perfectly reasonable to split the two up if you really think you might be interested in continuing with YY. I would not do it just to test the two out. Take a day off from work tomorrow to observe the classes at each and make your decision based on actual observation/data, not just the rantings of the rest of us on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%


I suggest you do your own research. I have no idea where PP poster got her numbers for YY but when I did some probing on the DC Charter board site for 2012 Composite scores, Haynes had significantly better scores for both their AA and Caucasion students in Math (BIG discrepancy) and for their AA students in Reading (about 4% higher). Haynes scores were a about 1% better for Reading for their Caucasion students. The Hispanic students appeared to really pull down the Reading numbers for Haynes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:



Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%

I suggest you do your own research. I have no idea where PP poster got her numbers for YY but when I did some probing on the DC Charter board site for 2012 Composite scores, Haynes had significantly better scores for both their AA and Caucasion students in Math (BIG discrepancy) and for their AA students in Reading (about 4% higher). Haynes scores were a about 1% better for Reading for their Caucasion students. The Hispanic students appeared to really pull down the Reading numbers for Haynes.

http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/367-E.L.-Haynes-PCS---Georgia-Avenue/?tab=test-scores
GreatSchools rating: 7 out of 10

http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/618-Washington-Yu-Ying-PCS/?tab=test-scores
GreatSchools rating: 9 out of 10

[Anonymous]

Here is where you can compare results for EL Haynes and Yu Ying 3rd and 4th graders. In those grades (the only onese tested at Yu Ying so far), Yu Ying did significantly better than EL Haynes in reading and math.
http://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/release_content/attachments/DC%20CAS%20School-by-School%20Performance%20by%20Grade091212.xlsx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In 2011, 77% of E.L. Haynes students scored proficient or advanced in math and 64% scored proficient or advanced in reading on the DC-CAS, outpacing DC Public and Public Charter Schools' scores of 43% in math and 44% in reading. E.L. Haynes students also outscored DC Public and Public Charter Schools in the percentage of students scoring advanced.


8th Grade Students Scoring Proficient or Advanced on the 2011 DC-CAS


E.L Haynes opened in 2004 serving PK-2nd graders. By 2011, those 2nd graders were 8th graders and had made extraordinary gains. Ninety (90%) scored proficient or advanced in math and 75% scored proficient or advanced in reading. In comparison, across all 8th graders enrolled in DC Public and Public Charter Schools, 54% scored proficient or advanced in math and 45% scored proficient or advanced in reading.


Six-Year Gains in Proficiency on the DC-CAS


E.L. Haynes has demonstrated outstanding six-year gains on the DC-CAS of 47 percentage points in math and 23 percentage points in reading, more than twice the gains in math and three times in reading than DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Statewide gains for the same period are 17 percentage points in math and 7 percentage points in reading.

Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%

From where are you pulling your numbers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In 2011, 77% of E.L. Haynes students scored proficient or advanced in math and 64% scored proficient or advanced in reading on the DC-CAS, outpacing DC Public and Public Charter Schools' scores of 43% in math and 44% in reading. E.L. Haynes students also outscored DC Public and Public Charter Schools in the percentage of students scoring advanced.


8th Grade Students Scoring Proficient or Advanced on the 2011 DC-CAS


E.L Haynes opened in 2004 serving PK-2nd graders. By 2011, those 2nd graders were 8th graders and had made extraordinary gains. Ninety (90%) scored proficient or advanced in math and 75% scored proficient or advanced in reading. In comparison, across all 8th graders enrolled in DC Public and Public Charter Schools, 54% scored proficient or advanced in math and 45% scored proficient or advanced in reading.


Six-Year Gains in Proficiency on the DC-CAS


E.L. Haynes has demonstrated outstanding six-year gains on the DC-CAS of 47 percentage points in math and 23 percentage points in reading, more than twice the gains in math and three times in reading than DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Statewide gains for the same period are 17 percentage points in math and 7 percentage points in reading.

Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%

The charter board provides different stats than what you provided. Also, 2012 is YY's first year for testing, but I guess that helps when you don't provide all the children with the same opportunities at a charter school.

http://www.dcpubliccharter.com/News-Room.aspx?id=276

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In 2011, 77% of E.L. Haynes students scored proficient or advanced in math and 64% scored proficient or advanced in reading on the DC-CAS, outpacing DC Public and Public Charter Schools' scores of 43% in math and 44% in reading. E.L. Haynes students also outscored DC Public and Public Charter Schools in the percentage of students scoring advanced.


8th Grade Students Scoring Proficient or Advanced on the 2011 DC-CAS


E.L Haynes opened in 2004 serving PK-2nd graders. By 2011, those 2nd graders were 8th graders and had made extraordinary gains. Ninety (90%) scored proficient or advanced in math and 75% scored proficient or advanced in reading. In comparison, across all 8th graders enrolled in DC Public and Public Charter Schools, 54% scored proficient or advanced in math and 45% scored proficient or advanced in reading.


Six-Year Gains in Proficiency on the DC-CAS


E.L. Haynes has demonstrated outstanding six-year gains on the DC-CAS of 47 percentage points in math and 23 percentage points in reading, more than twice the gains in math and three times in reading than DC Public and Public Charter Schools. Statewide gains for the same period are 17 percentage points in math and 7 percentage points in reading.

Only 2 grades to compare, 2012 numbers:

EL Haynes 3rd
R = 48%
M = 42%

YY 3rd
R = 66%
M = 57%


EL Haynes 4th
R = 53%
M = 51%

YY 4th
R = 82%
M = 71%

The charter board provides different stats than what you provided. Also, 2012 is YY's first year for testing, but I guess that helps when you don't provide all the children with the same opportunities at a charter school.

http://www.dcpubliccharter.com/News-Room.aspx?id=276

what are you talking about? YY 1st test was 2011.

[Anonymous]

what are you talking about? YY 1st test was 2011.

I don't think the first year a school administers the DC-CAS that it "counts" for those purposes.