Cookies for Prisoners?

[Anonymous]

"Maybe some people crow about how good they are or how they always do thr right thing. But none of the frequent church goers that I know do this. "

How do you know what people say when you aren't present?

[Anonymous]

I posted some comments on this page but I also NEVER take one of things off the "giving trees"


Call me selfish oh well

[Anonymous]

I only read the original post but with the little time I have, especially around the holidays, I'd never waste my time baking cookies for prisoners. Like everyone else, if I'm gonna do charity or a good deed, I have my priorities, so I would definitely select poor kids, children's organizations, etc. If your priority is to bring some comfort to prisoners, then go ahead and use your time to help them. The fact that you're doubting yourself, however, tells me you're not sure of your priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Maybe some people crow about how good they are or how they always do thr right thing. But none of the frequent church goers that I know do this. "

How do you know what people say when you aren't present?

I have no idea what they say when I am not present. HOWEVER, I do know what they say when I'm present (including my own extended family who are frequent church-goers). I also know what many of my frequent church-going friends post on FB. And they post routinely. What I hear is exactly what I've said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know who would bake cookies for prisoners?

That's right.




You know who wouldn't?

That's right.



Who you you rather be like?

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Having an opinion is one thing, making a judgement about a person's entire character or the strength of their religious faith based on one decision is another.

Saying, "I think your husband should bake the cookies, I think that's the right thing to do, and I think that is what Jesus teaches us to do (reach out to prisoners)" is one thing. That is expressing an opinion. Saying, "Oh I'm so amused that you would call yourself a Christian and not do this, what a hypocrite, you obviously don't believe the things you are "proclaiming" to believe by going to church, and you are a bad person" as many have done in this thread is judging the DH in the OP in a totally unfair way. Life is a learning experience and no one does the right thing all the time.

And for the person who insists that I can't know that most regular church goers don't crow about their beliefs and try to convince others how right they always are; ok, well I am a regular church goer and I will say that I know that I make mistakes all the time and I don't think I'm better than anyone else because I go to church and I accept that as a Christian I will fall short and I try to work on that but inevitably it will happen. And yes, perhaps I am the ONLY regular church going Christian who feels that way and all the people I know at my church, and my DH, and my mother, and my IL's are all really self-righteous about their religious beliefs when I am not around.

[Anonymous]

"And for the person who insists that I can't know that most regular church goers don't crow about their beliefs and try to convince others how right they always are; ok, well I am a regular church goer and I will say that I know that I make mistakes all the time and I don't think I'm better than anyone else because I go to church and I accept that as a Christian I will fall short and I try to work on that but inevitably it will happen. And yes, perhaps I am the ONLY regular church going Christian who feels that way and all the people I know at my church, and my DH, and my mother, and my IL's are all really self-righteous about their religious beliefs when I am not around. "

Caved.rather.quickly.

[Anonymous]

I didn't say "all people", I said people. Nice try.

As to your latter point, my point is exactly that. The OP's DH should work at it.

There is nothing condescending about my post. And, you don't know me. I'm very happily baggage free when it comes to religion.

Ok, you didn't say "all people," but you did mean the DH in this situation and you have NO IDEA about his religious beliefs beyond the fact that he attends a Christian church of some denomination and is uncomfortable with his wife making cookies for prisoners. You have no idea what this DH "proclaims" to belive. Maybe he's an atheist supporting his wife, maybe his faith has lapsed, who knows? Just sitting your ass in a pew does not mean that you espouse all the beliefs of a given Chrisitan denomination. Attending church is a personal choice not some kind of proclamation to your society that you support everything taught in that church or follow every rule. In fact based on the OP we don't even know if the DH goes to church or is a Christian. We only know the wife goes to church with her son.

Your post was condescending and you should read it again if you think you don't have baggage surrounding those who attend church. You obviously feel that attending church is making some sort of "statement" to be interpreted by those around you and I am arguing that it is NOT in and of itself any indication of anything really. You are making big assumptions you shouldn't be making, just on the possibliity of church attendence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"And for the person who insists that I can't know that most regular church goers don't crow about their beliefs and try to convince others how right they always are; ok, well I am a regular church goer and I will say that I know that I make mistakes all the time and I don't think I'm better than anyone else because I go to church and I accept that as a Christian I will fall short and I try to work on that but inevitably it will happen. And yes, perhaps I am the ONLY regular church going Christian who feels that way and all the people I know at my church, and my DH, and my mother, and my IL's are all really self-righteous about their religious beliefs when I am not around. "

Caved.rather.quickly.

I didn't cave, lol. Come on, you and I both know that not all religious Christians are impressed with that fact any more than all lawyers are crooks, all women are weak, or all Jews are cheap. You know this and you are just being argumentative.

[Anonymous]

"I didn't cave, lol. Come on, you and I both know that not all religious Christians are impressed with that fact any more than all lawyers are crooks, all women are weak, or all Jews are cheap. You know this and you are just being argumentative. "

Lawyer - check.
Woman - check.
Jew - check.

[Anonymous]

Wow! Jesus was hot! Who knew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I didn't cave, lol. Come on, you and I both know that not all religious Christians are impressed with that fact any more than all lawyers are crooks, all women are weak, or all Jews are cheap. You know this and you are just being argumentative. "

Lawyer - check.
Woman - check.
Jew - check.

Wait, so are you saying that you are a female Jewish lawyer? Or are you saying you do know that all lawyers are crooks, all womean are weak, and all Jews are cheap. How do you know? How do you know how they are when you are not present?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would you bake them for a child molester?

The bible passage is nice and all but would you send them to a child molester and say merry christmas, by the way the little girl you molested is not able to enjoy her life--????

I'm torn because I was on a jury who convicted a child molester and he's in prison hopefully for the rest of his life (found out after the trial he had many prior rape convictions). I would not want him enjoying cookies in prison. However, one of the key witnesses was a convicted drug dealer who shared a cell with him. He testified because he was a dad of a young girl and he didn't think what this guy was doing was right.

He showed real remorse and shame for his crimes, and it was clear that he wouldn't be getting much of a break for testifying. I wouldn't mind him eating some holiday cookies. Not a big fan of drug dealers but it did show me a different side of things.

I know! Why don't you go to the prison and personally decide who gets cookies and who doesn't.

I know! How about you go fuck yourself!?!? Sound good??? Way to trivialize what was a very traumatic experience. My only point was that's hard to defend a child molester based on personal experiences, yet some folks in prison don't rape kids and maybe deserve a bit more.

Maybe he didn't rape kids, but how many kids did he sell drugs to? How many kids got them from someone he sold drugs to? How many of these kids possibly over-dosed and died? Or became addicted and are now living on the streets? How many women he sold drugs to took them while they were pregnant and lost or killed babies? How many people bought drugs from him and went on to commit heinous crimes? But sure, I can see how you might want to bake the guy cookies. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Wow--some seriously judgmental people here. This just makes me sad.

What ever happened to the idea that everyone is deserving of our forgiveness and our compassion? I wonder how many of those prisoners might have turned out differently if they had been shown more kindness and compassion in their lives? How many could still turn their lives around?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow--some seriously judgmental people here. This just makes me sad.

What ever happened to the idea that everyone is deserving of our forgiveness and our compassion? I wonder how many of those prisoners might have turned out differently if they had been shown more kindness and compassion in their lives? How many could still turn their lives around?

Dunno, but there's a DCUM OP who has a VERY expensive, slightly damaged, white leather sofa to donate to the prison rec room.