Sociology article on how private schools screen out disability

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

NP: Yes, I think so. Too many people are so sheltered that they cannot see the value of workers who aren't "just like them" and do things the exact same way they do. It's pathetic really. Individuals with disabilities have so much to offer, but too many employers are blind to it.

What do autistic people have to offer in jobs that require social skills - like all of them. I’m a scientist and if you cannot communicate what you’ve done to others not as smart as- you fail at your job - literally. In manual jobs if you cannot do the labor, what do you have to offer if you’re in a wheelchair? On that note - you you want a doctor with an IQ below 70? We cannot be totally inclusive and to expect otherwise is naive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

No it’s a sign of social needs and expectations. We are a capitalist economy something is only worth as much as people are willing to spend. Jobs are the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

NP: Yes, I think so. Too many people are so sheltered that they cannot see the value of workers who aren't "just like them" and do things the exact same way they do. It's pathetic really. Individuals with disabilities have so much to offer, but too many employers are blind to it.

What do autistic people have to offer in jobs that require social skills - like all of them. I’m a scientist and if you cannot communicate what you’ve done to others not as smart as- you fail at your job - literally. In manual jobs if you cannot do the labor, what do you have to offer if you’re in a wheelchair? On that note - you you want a doctor with an IQ below 70? We cannot be totally inclusive and to expect otherwise is naive

Sometimes people with autism have special interests, talents and deeper knowledge in a certain area than neurotypical people. Whether they are a fit would depend on the type of job.

Private schools may not be a fit for every person with a disability, but that is because they don’t offer what they really need. However, I do think they could do a better job at working with people who have mild to moderate disabilities.

Someone mentioned the area Catholic schools. Some of them are starting to get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

No you complete and utter moron. The ability to answer the questions or complete the assignment CORRECTLY indicates whether the material was learned, not how long it took them to write it down or whether they needed to type instead of write or whatever.

You are so stupid and nasty that you should be fired from whatever job you have right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

+1. We should have universal basic income. The idea that people need to be employed to live is ridiculous.

Have you lived in a socialist economy?! I did - well, as close as you can get to a functioning one - the Netherlands. You would first have to get rid of all the very good or bad things - quickly standards go to mediocrity. Then you realize your garbage man makes as much as you (after taxes and subsidies, e.g., childcare) even though you are an engineer that works twice as many hours and have a much higher education. And when you drive by your road construction crew that never finishes the job because they are smoking all day (yes, a burden on your state funded healthcare) you realize that being ambitious just isn’t worth it unless you can get to the US - where this crap doesn’t exist.

No way we should diminish ambition and innovation. We attract this type of talent here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

No you complete and utter moron. The ability to answer the questions or complete the assignment CORRECTLY indicates whether the material was learned, not how long it took them to write it down or whether they needed to type instead of write or whatever.

You are so stupid and nasty that you should be fired from whatever job you have right now.

DP

In my line of work we have deadlines. Each day over in some cases costs $1M - that is our daily rental for a rig. So if the engineer on my boat can solve a problem quickly, I’ll fire them and get one who can - simple economics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a troll post. Private schools screen for all kinds of things, ability is just one of many factors. And as a poster pointed out, huge numbers of private school kids are disabled as per extended time and other accommodations their student populations receive. If your point in this post is to oppose all forms of private education I understand that - I do not agree with that position but I do understand it.

They aren’t actually disabled. They are “disabled.” Private schools don’t actually want kids who are significantly different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

NP: Yes, I think so. Too many people are so sheltered that they cannot see the value of workers who aren't "just like them" and do things the exact same way they do. It's pathetic really. Individuals with disabilities have so much to offer, but too many employers are blind to it.

What do autistic people have to offer in jobs that require social skills - like all of them. I’m a scientist and if you cannot communicate what you’ve done to others not as smart as- you fail at your job - literally. In manual jobs if you cannot do the labor, what do you have to offer if you’re in a wheelchair? On that note - you you want a doctor with an IQ below 70? We cannot be totally inclusive and to expect otherwise is naive

There’s a very big range of autism and of course many, many scientists fall on the spectrum. People on the spectrum may be awkward or bad at small talk but that doesn’t mean they cannot manage the workplace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

No you complete and utter moron. The ability to answer the questions or complete the assignment CORRECTLY indicates whether the material was learned, not how long it took them to write it down or whether they needed to type instead of write or whatever.

You are so stupid and nasty that you should be fired from whatever job you have right now.

DP

In my line of work we have deadlines. Each day over in some cases costs $1M - that is our daily rental for a rig. So if the engineer on my boat can solve a problem quickly, I’ll fire them and get one who can - simple economics

+1. I had to answer a very complex question with 1 hr lead time last week. Pace matters in a lot of jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

Hey PP! Don’t listen to the nasty hateful poster. One day they will realize the error of their ways. People with autism (and other disabilities) can and do contribute even at the highest levels of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

No you complete and utter moron. The ability to answer the questions or complete the assignment CORRECTLY indicates whether the material was learned, not how long it took them to write it down or whether they needed to type instead of write or whatever.

You are so stupid and nasty that you should be fired from whatever job you have right now.

Exams and assignments need strict time limits / deadlines. Extending those means you are cheating. Even if there is a disability.


I can provide many examples. Here are two:

Many of my college exams were open book. You could bring all the reference material you wanted, but had to solve the problems and answer questions in 90 minutes. That was the exam: either you knew the material and could answer efficiently, or you did not know the material.


Another example would be timed assignments. Unlimited time would allow everyone to get 100%. The challenge was answering the problem sets in only a few days. That tested your ability to problem solve in a way that matches your learning / creative thinking. If you needed more time then you did not know the material.


When you start extending deadlines for kids, it means they do not meet expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

No you complete and utter moron. The ability to answer the questions or complete the assignment CORRECTLY indicates whether the material was learned, not how long it took them to write it down or whether they needed to type instead of write or whatever.

You are so stupid and nasty that you should be fired from whatever job you have right now.

I'm an NP and you are completely unhinged, not to mention wrong. The vast majority of jobs require daily deadlines, whether that's when you actually show up to work and what work you must complete in a certain timeframe. To pretend otherwise is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps it’s a bit late—but I read the actual article, and it’s fascinating. Would scare the frap out of me if I were trying to get a tiny kid into one if these places. Overall idea seems to be that there isn’t any way to “rate” small kids other than “milestones” and their ability to handle socialization/transitions between activities, so that’s what they do—with a super explicit focus on avoiding kids who they think might have developmental or social disabilities. So yes, if your kid cries, they’re out.

The contrast with the same parents and institutions then clinging to gentrified (per Freddie DeBoer) notions of disability in the upper school years, where they can bring advantages on explicit competitive metrics is: delicious? Gut-level shocking? Something else, indeed.

Put me in the bring-back-the-asterisk camp!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

That will never happen. That is discriminatory. You are clueless about disabilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

Of course. If you want to send your kids to a truly inclusive school, send them to public. Privates don’t really care about helping disadvantaged kids. Which is fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.

Even the Lab school no longer takes the kids it was founded to help. It really sucks.