Sociology article on how private schools screen out disability

[Anonymous]

Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

[Anonymous]

Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

[Anonymous]

Students who do not disrupt the flow of class or cost the school money with extra resources and support are often preferred. Most schools do offer some accommodations and some extra support. Say, extra reading help in lower school, organization and time management in middle school, office hours in high school.

Anything that takes additional personnel costs money. Many families get private tutors. Some leave for public schools and more comprehensive support as well as private tutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

Of course. If you want to send your kids to a truly inclusive school, send them to public. Privates don’t really care about helping disadvantaged kids. Which is fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.

[Anonymous]

The abstract lost me when it said it was a "qualitative" study.

So no samples, no sample size, and no controls. Its basically an opinion piece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The abstract lost me when it said it was a "qualitative" study.

So no samples, no sample size, and no controls. Its basically an opinion piece.

No need to read a paper to check that. For instance in my private schools kids with ADHD are gently invited to leave the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

And you think an employer should have to make accommodations for her over hiring other candidates?

[Anonymous]

This is like publishing a study that finds out private schools charge tuition. What did you think the admissions offices are for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

And you think an employer should have to make accommodations for her over hiring other candidates?

Not PP. I don’t think anyone should get extra time - but tests should be timed to 1.5 times what expected time for completion would be. Instead of giving some an advantage, remove time as a decisive factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

Of course. If you want to send your kids to a truly inclusive school, send them to public. Privates don’t really care about helping disadvantaged kids. Which is fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.

It’s not about disadvantaged students. It’s about disabled students.

But I take your point. This study is nothing new. Privates are not required to admit students with disabilities or support them beyond the very basics like extra time for tests. Privates, especially the very expensive ones, are not diverse. And they should stop pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

Hey PP! Don’t listen to the nasty hateful poster. One day they will realize the error of their ways. People with autism (and other disabilities) can and do contribute even at the highest levels of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

Of course. If you want to send your kids to a truly inclusive school, send them to public. Privates don’t really care about helping disadvantaged kids. Which is fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.

It’s not about disadvantaged students. It’s about disabled students.

But I take your point. This study is nothing new. Privates are not required to admit students with disabilities or support them beyond the very basics like extra time for tests. Privates, especially the very expensive ones, are not diverse. And they should stop pretending otherwise.

Privates are not pretending to be broadly diverse or help disabled students.

They only want diversity among high performing affluent students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

And you think an employer should have to make accommodations for her over hiring other candidates?

Not PP. I don’t think anyone should get extra time - but tests should be timed to 1.5 times what expected time for completion would be. Instead of giving some an advantage, remove time as a decisive factor.

But in the real world, adults meet deadlines. As a parent of two children with disabilities, including one who may not live independently, I think it’s okay to admit when our kids aren’t as fast as neurotypical kids. My kids will hold jobs. Not ideal jobs. I don’t want my moderate needs DS working in the ER. There are some jobs where time is a decisive factor.