Sociology article on how private schools screen out disability

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

Seems that you are misunderstanding the standards. Did the student learn the subjects? If yes, then they met the standards. If you as the employer, need specific skills, it is on you to make sure that you hire people with those skills. So if you need someone who can work quickly, it's on you to ensure you hire someone with that skill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

+1. We should have universal basic income. The idea that people need to be employed to live is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

Seems that you are misunderstanding the standards. Did the student learn the subjects? If yes, then they met the standards. If you as the employer, need specific skills, it is on you to make sure that you hire people with those skills. So if you need someone who can work quickly, it's on you to ensure you hire someone with that skill.

I don’t think time standards for submitting assignments or completing exams are arbitrary. A large part of learning material is being able to apply it quickly and solve problems efficiently. Extra time suggests the material was never learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

+1. We should have universal basic income. The idea that people need to be employed to live is ridiculous.

So you can just sit around and not do any work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

They do meet the standards. It just takes more time or they need text to speech or something like that. Don’t worry, all those kids with mild to moderate learning disabilities are not at an advantage over your neurotypical kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

An arbitrary time standard? No, it doesn't need to be made clear.

Meeting deadlines on exams and assignments is an important way to know if material was learned.

Not if you have a disability that makes writing it down in an arbitrary format take longer no matter how well you know the material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

The real question is why 80% of autistic people unemployed. Isn't this a sign of societal failure?

NP: Yes, I think so. Too many people are so sheltered that they cannot see the value of workers who aren't "just like them" and do things the exact same way they do. It's pathetic really. Individuals with disabilities have so much to offer, but too many employers are blind to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

Most awful comment on DCUM I’ve read in a while. You’re horrible.

Why? If they did not meet the same standards shouldn’t that be made clear?

NP: Yes, you are awful, bigoted, and not very informed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care , and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

You’re so right. It totally won’t be in violation of the American Disability Act. Actually, on that note, you can take it one step further and screen the way we did in the 1920s - that almost certainly will not lead to certain demographics in extermination camps like last time. Hey great idea!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then why do over a third of the students at DC’s Big 3 get extra time? Why so much parent conversation about where to get evaluated, and how to complain hard enough to get more baroque accommodations?

(I mean, I know why. Everyone wants their bright healthy kids to have every possible advantage, and we’ve lost all norms of decency around this issue. But the contrast is telling.)

They need to start putting an asterisk next to any scores that were achieved with extra time or other accommodations. Perhaps colleges won’t care, and perhaps they will. Same with college degrees. The degree was conferred with special accommodations. Employers have a right to know what they’re signing up for. I’m sure the numbers would drop significantly after that.

My daughter is autistic. She has and needs accommodations and has had them since kindergarten. Something like 80% of autistic adults are unemployed, but thanks for the suggestion to make it even harder for her.

And you think an employer should have to make accommodations for her over hiring other candidates?

Agree. I’m in a STEM field and people skills are still the most important. We work with mildly autistic people and they hinder the flow of work due to their lack of people skills. We normally screen them out in the interview process, but not always.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting, I’ve only read the abstract but thought it might be of interest. Documents how private schools try to screen out disability at the earliest stages, to preference neurotypical and able bodied children.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00031224251326096

Of course. If you want to send your kids to a truly inclusive school, send them to public. Privates don’t really care about helping disadvantaged kids. Which is fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.

Public schools excel at providing education and services to under performers and special needs. It’s part of why they exist. If you have a child who is above average, they don’t belong in a traditional public school.