Universities Really Are Messed Up (says Yale

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"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

You know all private school kids don’t pay full freight too, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

What percentage of the private school seniors are international and not from US private schoools?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

What percentage of the private school seniors are international and not from US private schoools?

Google it. Whatever the exact stats are, there is obviously a perception out in this country that these elite universities are tilted towards advantaged students. And it seems pretty clear that that perception is not wrong regardless of the exact statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Yale report: Universities were “expected to be all things to all people: selective but inclusive, affordable but luxurious, meritocratic but equitable.”

Do they not understand that this tension is the whole point? The thing that makes the school desirable? It’s a school you can buy your kid’s way into while convincing him that he earned his way in.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

what else that costs 400k *isn't* tilted towards the advantaged.

fancy private schools are not a right. who cares. we'd be better off putting them in the category of country clubs and stop wringing our hands over this. it reeks of envy. and I send my kids to state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Yale report: Universities were “expected to be all things to all people: selective but inclusive, affordable but luxurious, meritocratic but equitable.”

Do they not understand that this tension is the whole point? The thing that makes the school desirable? It’s a school you can buy your kid’s way into while convincing him that he earned his way in.

Goes both ways. If you’re a poor semi smart kid from New Mexico, you can sail right in.

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Anonymous wrote:Progressives avoid common sense in all aspects, especially education. And since they dominate all top colleges, this concern for reform will blow over as soon as the bullhorn brigades mobilize.

I would say the elite and leave it at that, conservatives and progressives have completely gone off the deep end when it comes to college. They stopped being about education long ago and just are just another mechanism of the elite to reinforce the caste system that exists in the US. Multi million dollar donors, questionable charities and so called commmuniity service, high priced consultants as a requirement on top of being a legacy and bastardizing sports that used to be available to all. Driving up the cost of college while pretending to help the lower income, and less we forget the ridiculous process of joining clubs onc you arrive on campus all while sucking the government dry and collecting billion dollar endowments. This farce must end.

Bloody truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities.

I don't know what to tell you. How do you explain that the current administration is absolutely beating on these places? The supporters of this administration , who are a lot more fgli than advantaged for the most part, voted for that. I think the way the assault these research universities is being conducted is really destructive and counterproductive, but the voters apparently wanted it for some reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities.

I don't know what to tell you. How do you explain that the current administration is absolutely beating on these places? The supporters of this administration , who are a lot more fgli than advantaged for the most part, voted for that. I think the way the assault these research universities is being conducted is really destructive and counterproductive, but the voters apparently wanted it for some reason.

how do you explain Yale has largely been spared?

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/yale-trump-college-university-pressure-5316d26e

https://airmail.news/issues/2025-8-23/how-yale-got-spared

https://timothynoah.substack.com/p/why-isnt-trump-clobbering-yale

https://yaledailynews.com/articles/yale-spared-for-now-from-trumps-punitive-ivy-funding-cuts

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities.

I don't know what to tell you. How do you explain that the current administration is absolutely beating on these places? The supporters of this administration , who are a lot more fgli than advantaged for the most part, voted for that. I think the way the assault these research universities is being conducted is really destructive and counterproductive, but the voters apparently wanted it for some reason.

how do you explain Yale has largely been spared?

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/yale-trump-college-university-pressure-5316d26e

https://airmail.news/issues/2025-8-23/how-yale-got-spared

https://timothynoah.substack.com/p/why-isnt-trump-clobbering-yale

https://yaledailynews.com/articles/yale-spared-for-now-from-trumps-punitive-ivy-funding-cuts

Probably corruption like everything else in our government. That doesn't change the fact that many high-level research universities are getting smacked around as if that is really helping the voters of this country right now.

It feels like a useless distraction from more pressing issues. The situation does merit reform but the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime and I think it's punishing the entire country.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

what else that costs 400k *isn't* tilted towards the advantaged.

fancy private schools are not a right. who cares. we'd be better off putting them in the category of country clubs and stop wringing our hands over this. it reeks of envy. and I send my kids to state schools.

So, no more research grants, Pell grants, or tax breaks? I think a lot of Americans would be fine with that result, but surely you can understand why Yale is trying to avoid it.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

what else that costs 400k *isn't* tilted towards the advantaged.

fancy private schools are not a right. who cares. we'd be better off putting them in the category of country clubs and stop wringing our hands over this. it reeks of envy. and I send my kids to state schools.

So, no more research grants, Pell grants, or tax breaks? I think a lot of Americans would be fine with that result, but surely you can understand why Yale is trying to avoid it.

Okay, I would love to talk about who should be getting tax advantages in this country. Could we see all the tax returns of all of our most powerful leaders before we start crapping on Yale and other institutions of higher learning?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up? Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%?

Wake up. Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students. There are some not a lot. And do you even know the sticker price? Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive. The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI

It's not really difficult. Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli. That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes. If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are tilted towards advantaged kids.

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities.

I don't know what to tell you. How do you explain that the current administration is absolutely beating on these places? The supporters of this administration , who are a lot more fgli than advantaged for the most part, voted for that. I think the way the assault these research universities is being conducted is really destructive and counterproductive, but the voters apparently wanted it for some reason.

These schools are not... perfect places. You may not like hearing it but there are legitimate grievances against how these elite schools resorted to significant social engineering in admissions that discriminated blatantly against certain demographics, had a complex, to say the least, attitude towards anti semitism in the last decade, fostered a distinctly not free speech environment (which, incidentally, is one of the key themes in the Yale professors report). There is more to a university than funding for scientific research. I don't think it's a consequence of any specific person or policy, but the collective outcome of institutional behavior. And that is why the administration went on a rampage against these schools. And many people support it.

I graduated from one of these schools and I know, from seeing the campus today and from old classmates who are now professors at similar schools, that it is not the more carefree liberal environment of thr 1990s. And I'm sure many parents don't quite realize that.