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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting.  
 
"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."
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So, they have identified the things that make it messed up and the want to recommend doing more of those? Ok.[/quote]

Expanding financial aid is going to make it more messed up?  Reducing admissions preferences is going to make it more messed up?[/quote]

Preferences for who or why? More international? More unqualified? If it was working why are universities “really messed up?” Seems like they’d be saying it’s never been better.[/quote]

Preferences for advantaged people which probably mostly translates to financially advantaged.[/quote]

How can they have been doing that at the same time as having a preference for FGLI? Clearly that preference comes at the expense of the other preferences. 50-60% are already on financial aid. Do you think it should be 100%? [/quote]

Wake up.  Places like yale are hardly infested with fgli students.  There are some not a lot.  And do you even know the sticker price?  Yes, most families would need financial assistance to be able to send students to a place that expensive.   The fact that 40% don't need aid is exactly part of the problem.[/quote]

I can't keep DCUM straight. Either Yale is all private school kids or all FGLI[/quote]

It's not really difficult.  Assuming a quick Google search is more or less correct, It's 37% private school kids and 19% fgli.   That is from a population where 10% of high school seniors are from private schools and over 50% are from fgli homes.  If those stats are correct, you can see why people think things are fancy private universities are  tilted towards advantaged kids.[/quote]

as someone else has pointed out, using basic US population is weird when a giant chunk have no interest in going to college at all. and a minority go to private universities. [/quote]

I don't know what to tell you.  How do you explain that the current administration is absolutely beating on these places?  The supporters of this administration ,  who are a lot more fgli than advantaged for the most part, voted for that.   I think the way the assault these research universities is being conducted is really destructive and counterproductive,  but the voters apparently wanted it for some reason.[/quote]

These schools are not... perfect places. You may not like hearing it but there are legitimate grievances against how these elite schools resorted to significant social engineering in admissions that discriminated blatantly against certain demographics, had a complex, to say the least, attitude towards anti semitism in the last decade, fostered a distinctly not free speech environment (which, incidentally, is one of the key themes in the Yale professors report). There is more to a university than funding for scientific research. I don't think it's a consequence of any specific person or policy, but the collective outcome of institutional behavior. And that is why the administration went on a rampage against these schools. And many people support it.

I graduated from one of these schools and I know, from seeing the campus today and from old classmates who are now professors at similar schools, that it is not the more carefree liberal environment of thr 1990s. And I'm sure many parents don't quite realize that. [/quote]

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