What are CS majors going to do...

[Anonymous]

Go to community college then flagship satellite

Do not spend one extra penny than necessary on basic college degree.

Consider trades.

Work out and be in shape

Look and smell as attractive as you can

Be dependable

Forgot to add..invest the amount you were going to spend on regular college minus the cost of community college / flagship satellite or trade school.

When you get any job be extremely thrifty and invest every penny.



It will all take care of itself because most people are not strong enough or lack focus to do these things

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all these kids who are applying for CS and are currently in CS programs, what's the plan??? It's a really stark reality for entry level CS work. What's the hope that these kids will actually land any entry level job using their degree. Heck, even jobs in finance, consulting, marketing, most white collar entry level jobs are going to cut by staggering numbers. What's the incentive to spend $100k a year for a degree that can't guarantee you a job??? Help me understand this. What are parents doing or advising for their kids entering or in college?

Forget college.

Join ICE instead!

Then Save and invest every penny

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the rich kids/private schools have almost totally abandoned the CS path already.

What did the choose instead?

Engineering, applied physics, applied math, which all require programming coursework at least at the T20/elites sought by private school kids. Most top students with stem interest who are not premed, female and male, go for engineering these days. Premed is also a huge increasing trend as CS -girls-who-code trends from elementary and middle suddenly are coding health-related things in high school as they pivot to premed or BioEngineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First off, what is AI doing besides sorting through natural language and patching together words and numbers? Thats it.

Seriously?!! Are you under a rock?? Good grief! Get off of DCUM and go read what's going on with AI and coding jobs. There isn't a news or media (incl social) outlet that isn't covering this topic.

Did you get rejected from a top CS program or something? CS students at kid's school getting internships and jobs galore.

I hire SWEs at a major tech company, very major tech company. Internships are still flowing and highly competitive but return offers are going way down. First few years are also becoming much harder and many more will get weeded out. CS will still be great for the best but the average employee is going to suffer.

but that could be said of almost any major right now except maybe in healthcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the rich kids/private schools have almost totally abandoned the CS path already.

Are you talking about private HS? Your comment really doesn’t make much sense.

BTW everyone…all these AI companies getting billions in funding as well as all the Y Combinator companies getting funded as we speak are like 90% founded by either CS majors or kids with extensive CS backgrounds.

Sure, if your kid has an idea and wants to get a CS degree to become a tech entreprenuer, fine. But for the masses, that's not the case.

https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403

And for those living under a rock, now build some single Google searches around that post and keyword like Claude Code, ChatGPT Codex, etc., and it'll help you reformulate your idea of the potential cliff ahead for the tens of thousands of kids going into CS or currently enrolled in CS. Listen to heads of MBB, GS, Citadel talk about their hiring needs and it'll give you a good idea of how the landscape is shifting. We're in that moment of time where factory workers were slowly replaced and jobs dried up. As parents, sitting under a rock isn't really a good idea at this time. For the people in tech, to say it's "not a big deal" tells me that you're also very unaware, when every single tech C-suite person out there is saying how they're replacing the coding jobs (the primary entry for CS majors into a tech company) with AI. For the amount of scrutiny that this particular forum places on getting into the elite schools and programs around the country, it's a little baffling to see such utter ignorance on the subject.

And yet these are doing in person "networking events" for engineering students including computer engineering, on campus at kid's ivy.
The cliff is more of an issue at the T20-40 non-elites that used to be targeted by these companies during expansion. Now it is back to ivy+

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. My kid who just got into VT for CS is freaking out after the post on X. He wants to switch but is having a hard time trying to figure out what will be least impacted. I wish I can help him but having a hard time myself trying to figure it out.

Can you please share this X post?

https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. My kid who just got into VT for CS is freaking out after the post on X. He wants to switch but is having a hard time trying to figure out what will be least impacted. I wish I can help him but having a hard time myself trying to figure it out.

What post on X?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. My kid who just got into VT for CS is freaking out after the post on X. He wants to switch but is having a hard time trying to figure out what will be least impacted. I wish I can help him but having a hard time myself trying to figure it out.

Can you please share this X post?

https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening

It seems hard to believe that we have achieved the democratization of cognitive ability.

Are we saying that a janitor with AI will be just as good at providing legal advice as the senior partner with AI? How much familiarity with the subject matter do you need to be able to effectively use AI?

Have we reached the golden age of the jack of all trades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. My kid who just got into VT for CS is freaking out after the post on X. He wants to switch but is having a hard time trying to figure out what will be least impacted. I wish I can help him but having a hard time myself trying to figure it out.

Can you please share this X post?

https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening

It seems hard to believe that we have achieved the democratization of cognitive ability.

Are we saying that a janitor with AI will be just as good at providing legal advice as the senior partner with AI? How much familiarity with the subject matter do you need to be able to effectively use AI?

Have we reached the golden age of the jack of all trades?

That is exactly what people don't understand. People don't understand what people in various jobs actually do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the rich kids/private schools have almost totally abandoned the CS path already.

Are you talking about private HS? Your comment really doesn’t make much sense.

BTW everyone…all these AI companies getting billions in funding as well as all the Y Combinator companies getting funded as we speak are like 90% founded by either CS majors or kids with extensive CS backgrounds.

Sure, if your kid has an idea and wants to get a CS degree to become a tech entreprenuer, fine. But for the masses, that's not the case.

https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403

And for those living under a rock, now build some single Google searches around that post and keyword like Claude Code, ChatGPT Codex, etc., and it'll help you reformulate your idea of the potential cliff ahead for the tens of thousands of kids going into CS or currently enrolled in CS. Listen to heads of MBB, GS, Citadel talk about their hiring needs and it'll give you a good idea of how the landscape is shifting. We're in that moment of time where factory workers were slowly replaced and jobs dried up. As parents, sitting under a rock isn't really a good idea at this time. For the people in tech, to say it's "not a big deal" tells me that you're also very unaware, when every single tech C-suite person out there is saying how they're replacing the coding jobs (the primary entry for CS majors into a tech company) with AI. For the amount of scrutiny that this particular forum places on getting into the elite schools and programs around the country, it's a little baffling to see such utter ignorance on the subject.

And yet these are doing in person "networking events" for engineering students including computer engineering, on campus at kid's ivy.
The cliff is more of an issue at the T20-40 non-elites that used to be targeted by these companies during expansion. Now it is back to ivy+

No, it's not at issue at those colleges either. Companies are still hiring CS majors, just eventually the job won't be "just coding." They still need employees who understand how systems work, how AI works (and doens't), have logical thinking and technical skills, the learning and abilty to help develop the next big thing, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the rich kids/private schools have almost totally abandoned the CS path already.

Are you talking about private HS? Your comment really doesn’t make much sense.

BTW everyone…all these AI companies getting billions in funding as well as all the Y Combinator companies getting funded as we speak are like 90% founded by either CS majors or kids with extensive CS backgrounds.

Sure, if your kid has an idea and wants to get a CS degree to become a tech entreprenuer, fine. But for the masses, that's not the case.

https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403

And for those living under a rock, now build some single Google searches around that post and keyword like Claude Code, ChatGPT Codex, etc., and it'll help you reformulate your idea of the potential cliff ahead for the tens of thousands of kids going into CS or currently enrolled in CS. Listen to heads of MBB, GS, Citadel talk about their hiring needs and it'll give you a good idea of how the landscape is shifting. We're in that moment of time where factory workers were slowly replaced and jobs dried up. As parents, sitting under a rock isn't really a good idea at this time. For the people in tech, to say it's "not a big deal" tells me that you're also very unaware, when every single tech C-suite person out there is saying how they're replacing the coding jobs (the primary entry for CS majors into a tech company) with AI. For the amount of scrutiny that this particular forum places on getting into the elite schools and programs around the country, it's a little baffling to see such utter ignorance on the subject.

And yet these are doing in person "networking events" for engineering students including computer engineering, on campus at kid's ivy.
The cliff is more of an issue at the T20-40 non-elites that used to be targeted by these companies during expansion. Now it is back to ivy+

How could you possibly know which schools are targeted? Trying to justify that $95k/yr COA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 2024:CS grad was hired out of school with a salary of approx 180k. He knows he may get fired. He is saving all he can right now and will figure out next steps when he needs to. Seems silly to not make the most of the current situation.

I guess therein lies the question. If you know it's a declining field, why go into it? Totally understand the "redefining need" comment but redefining means fully rescoping how many kids are going into the field in the first place. Anyway, guess when kids run into the unemployment wall, then it'll be the wake up call. Hopefully, kids have a back up plan that works out.

To the tech worker poster who identified the IBM article. Follow up on that and you'll how the number of jobs in the US compare to the number of job postings in India. So sure, if your kid wants to move to India and tries to apply from here, no problem! But whatever, live under the rock that you're accustomed to living under.

It’s probably Amazon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 2026 CS grad will start his career in a job that pays $460K. Like a prior poster he is planning to save big time. His friend group has decided to take the GMAT, apply for an MBA and defer any admissions.

Doubt that salary.

[Anonymous]

Make sure to go to at least T100
Podung schools are screwed regardless of majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Make sure to go to at least T100
Podung schools are screwed regardless of majors.

It’s podunk Einstein.