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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, Harry didn’t say anything that scandalous in his autobiography, even the interviews seemed tame. I am sure he could have said a lot more.
He is just in the receiving end of the tabloid drama that is in many ways controlled by the royal family.
But you are right, they are trashy and always have been. Even Charles said to his wife ‘Did you think I was going to be the first Prince of Wales to not have a mistress?’


Right?

I just think...Harry didn't do anything that bad? I mean, he's messed up from the trauma of losing his mom when he was so young and then, I think, not having any parent at all who put him first after that horrible day they made him walk on international TV behind his mom's casket. But I don't think he's a bad person. He's spoken about mental health issues a lot, in a way that is helpful to others. He acknowledges that he is a little messed up.

But:

I remember reading how immature he was for having (allegedly) punched his old Uncle Andrew at some family event, and telling William that he "hates" his Uncle Andrew. And...we can see that he was right. Andrew is disgusting.

I have real respect for Harry for taking his family far away from this messed up family who protected this vile abuser for years. I can't really respect William as much, because he was happy to keep in the fold and keep his mouth shut until it could be avoided no longer.

They're all messed up. But Harry is messed up with a little bit of integrity.


Harry and William both went through same turmoil with unhealthy marriage and affairs of their parents and death of their mother. They were only few years apart, which probably made William more privy to the reality.
Anonymous
As far as cutting toxic birth families off, that's understandable. Being publicly toxic to same families you cut off, that's trashy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As far as cutting toxic birth families off, that's understandable. Being publicly toxic to same families you cut off, that's trashy.


+1. People who have had enough just walk away. No book, Oprah interview, or media strategy necessary. Nobody needs cell phone videos of your "Freedom Flight." I would excuse them by saying she was having a mental health crisis, but the Oprah interview was well removed from that moment. This whole thing is toxic.
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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, Harry didn’t say anything that scandalous in his autobiography, even the interviews seemed tame. I am sure he could have said a lot more.
He is just in the receiving end of the tabloid drama that is in many ways controlled by the royal family.
But you are right, they are trashy and always have been. Even Charles said to his wife ‘Did you think I was going to be the first Prince of Wales to not have a mistress?’


He accused William of shoving him. Accused Kate of not wanting to hug or share lip gloss with Meghan, and also of “making Meghan cry” and they accused some unnamed person of asking about the baby’s skin color.


Well, none of it's exactly a hanging offense is it?


Of course not. But he’s definitely airing dirty laundry, and doing so intentionally. Surely you can see where this would create distrust?


If a person does not want people to talk about their racism, they should not be racist.

Let us remember who planted stories that M was the problem.

The whole family is effed. Why do you think Diana had such problems?




I just can't imagine thinking Harry and Megan are the bad ones when there's a literal pedo and a bunch of pedo enablers in the family.


What a silly straw man. I assume that anyone alive, like me, with a heart, has one view of Andrew. He’s a john and abuser. He had women trafficked to him across the world. I hope Starmer and Charles III pressure him to testify in open fora regarding the abuse. Sarah Ferguson is a corrupt fraud and financial beneficiary of Epstein. There is nothing to debate. Normal people don’t want to discuss every detail of sex crimes.

Harry and Meghan are different. They are a gossip story, an Icarus for the 2020s. They suck at everything, they’ve blown their wad on Netflix and pretending nothing stories like fights over lip gloss are the equivalent of Emmitt Till and Rosa Parks. They are deeply unpopular; in the UK, only Andrew polls below them in YouGov.

I will say that a PP told a story only by halves. Andrew Lownie made explicit that the fight between Harry and Andrew was over Meghan, and that Andrew told Harry that he needed to check Meghan’s background more. On Netflix, Meghan said her friendship with Eugenie was formed pre-Harry, while Harry wrote in Spare that Meghan ‘definitely hadn’t Googled’ the BRF because (he believes this as he’s thicker than pig shit) Meghan innocently inquired whether Andrew was the Queen’s ‘servant’ or ‘bag carrier’ when they ‘first met.’ So. I won’t revive the yacht stuff because I personally don’t believe the rooms at Soho House London float. But that is why they fought. Harry needs to believe his wife was purer than a baby in an Ivory soap ad, because he’s effing stupid. He could’ve taken the easy win and not desperately said he never hit Andrew, or Harry could have sued Lownie. He didn’t do any of the smart things because he wants to believe she wanted him because he’s so hot and intelligent and honorable…

Anonymous
No one thinks Harry is “worse” than Andrew. No one. Harry is the one who put the literal and emotional distance between him and his family. That’s very much his right, but he needs to own his choices and not complain about a situation he created.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


That is quite an assumption. Sheesh.


What??? They don’t!! Unlike Andrew, Harry is still styled a Prince despite the fact that is ditched Royal duties for Hollywood, has relentlessly bashed the BRF and doesn’t even live in Britain anymore. Meghan has zero Royal blood and she’s allowed to call herself Duchess, which despite calling the BRF racist, she does so to the point of having herself announced to audiences of one. She’s full of it. H & M announced their kid to be titled as Prince and Princess on their own after claiming to Oprah Archie wouldn’t be a Prince because of his skin color (blatant lie, Charles had to become King first for him to get the title ). All this hatred for the BRF would be more believable if they didn’t cling to Royal titles and entitlement. I’d have more respect for them if they weren’t such hypocrites!

The biggest losers are Princesses Eugenia and Beatrice who live relatively drama free but their parents have destroyed their lives with their disgusting association with Epstein. Those two I truly feel sorry for.

Andrew and Sarah are stripped of titles. Done. They are beyond horrific. Vile. Banished for life. I hope they crawl under rocks and disappear.


Oh FFS, leave Meghan out of it, you people are pathetic. And stop lying about Meghan: it was a SINGLE audience of one, and she was announced by the butler in a house in NYC where she was staying as a guest, so it's unlikely she had anything to do with it.
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Anonymous wrote:Why are they do trashy and why they marry trashier people?


It is interesting for sure. They are a mess. It does seem like Kate and William are trying very hard to be as stable and boring as possible for this reason.


Oh, is that why Kate and William rarely leave their new 140-acre lodgings to do work? Kate's worked 6 days since Christmas, and William's barely worked more.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


🎯. Even today on the Daily Mail, there are people insisting the dirt on Virginia Giuffre is just about to come out, and then we'll all know Andrew is innocent. And don't believe your lying eyes about those pictures showing Andrew with young girls and his emails to Epstein.

It's actually pretty disgusting.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


That is quite an assumption. Sheesh.


What??? They don’t!! Unlike Andrew, Harry is still styled a Prince despite the fact that is ditched Royal duties for Hollywood, has relentlessly bashed the BRF and doesn’t even live in Britain anymore. Meghan has zero Royal blood and she’s allowed to call herself Duchess, which despite calling the BRF racist, she does so to the point of having herself announced to audiences of one. She’s full of it. H & M announced their kid to be titled as Prince and Princess on their own after claiming to Oprah Archie wouldn’t be a Prince because of his skin color (blatant lie, Charles had to become King first for him to get the title ). All this hatred for the BRF would be more believable if they didn’t cling to Royal titles and entitlement. I’d have more respect for them if they weren’t such hypocrites!

The biggest losers are Princesses Eugenia and Beatrice who live relatively drama free but their parents have destroyed their lives with their disgusting association with Epstein. Those two I truly feel sorry for.

Andrew and Sarah are stripped of titles. Done. They are beyond horrific. Vile. Banished for life. I hope they crawl under rocks and disappear.


Harry and Meghan got what they wanted - total separation and independence. They trashed their family for money, since their family wouldn't give them the tens of millions they felt entitled to, and now they get to live off that money for however long it lasts. There is no reconciliation for them after the Oprah interview and books, hopefully the jams work out for them so they can continue to afford their lifestyle. They are harmless despite being short-sighted and sort of terrible people. Andrew is a monster.


Harry and Meghan told the truth about what happened to them in Britain, to counter the lies the tabloids and BRF were spreading about them. They had an absolute right to tell their story. Also, Harry has donated most or all of the proceeds of Spare, so he didn't do it "for money." He has a large inheritance from Diana and recent reporting on Meghan's company shows she's made tens of millions from it, so far.

Agree that Andrew is a monster.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


🎯. Even today on the Daily Mail, there are people insisting the dirt on Virginia Giuffre is just about to come out, and then we'll all know Andrew is innocent. And don't believe your lying eyes about those pictures showing Andrew with young girls and his emails to Epstein.

It's actually pretty disgusting.


People? You mean like the commenters who are likely bots?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To be fair, Harry didn’t say anything that scandalous in his autobiography, even the interviews seemed tame. I am sure he could have said a lot more.
He is just in the receiving end of the tabloid drama that is in many ways controlled by the royal family.
But you are right, they are trashy and always have been. Even Charles said to his wife ‘Did you think I was going to be the first Prince of Wales to not have a mistress?’


Right?

I just think...Harry didn't do anything that bad? I mean, he's messed up from the trauma of losing his mom when he was so young and then, I think, not having any parent at all who put him first after that horrible day they made him walk on international TV behind his mom's casket. But I don't think he's a bad person. He's spoken about mental health issues a lot, in a way that is helpful to others. He acknowledges that he is a little messed up.

But:

I remember reading how immature he was for having (allegedly) punched his old Uncle Andrew at some family event, and telling William that he "hates" his Uncle Andrew. And...we can see that he was right. Andrew is disgusting.

I have real respect for Harry for taking his family far away from this messed up family who protected this vile abuser for years. I can't really respect William as much, because he was happy to keep in the fold and keep his mouth shut until it could be avoided no longer.

They're all messed up. But Harry is messed up with a little bit of integrity.


ITA. Harry spoke about how the palaces used him for their own PR, including inflating his struggles at school and experimentation with drugs to make the heir look better. Then that the bashing of his wife was coming from the palaces, who dealt with bad PR around William's affair but wouldn't challenge the press who called Harry's son a monkey. It doesn't seem terrible to me that Harry told his side of these stories.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


🎯. Even today on the Daily Mail, there are people insisting the dirt on Virginia Giuffre is just about to come out, and then we'll all know Andrew is innocent. And don't believe your lying eyes about those pictures showing Andrew with young girls and his emails to Epstein.

It's actually pretty disgusting.


People? You mean like the commenters who are likely bots?


Yes, absolutely the bots, especially on the DM. But someone told the bots to defend Andrew, it's just unclear who.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know, but I think it's pretty telling about Royal fans that they think Harry & Meghan are a bigger problem than Andrew and Fergie.


🎯. Even today on the Daily Mail, there are people insisting the dirt on Virginia Giuffre is just about to come out, and then we'll all know Andrew is innocent. And don't believe your lying eyes about those pictures showing Andrew with young girls and his emails to Epstein.

It's actually pretty disgusting.


Yes, it is.

It's disgusting on both sides of the pond, how people are so resistant to the idea that women are regularly treated so poorly by those we've come to admire.

It seems like they truly want to both believe that Andrew and Gates and Trump and Chomsky and Bannon are normal and innocent in spite of any evidence presented.

They can't possibly take in the fact that elites hold working class girls in such low regard that they will tolerate any amount of debasement (even of thousands of girls and boys) as just how things are.

That said, at least the improprieties are still being punished in the UK. Sadly we in the US are looking more unredeemably mysoginistic by the day.
It's beyond sad.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To be fair, Harry didn’t say anything that scandalous in his autobiography, even the interviews seemed tame. I am sure he could have said a lot more.
He is just in the receiving end of the tabloid drama that is in many ways controlled by the royal family.
But you are right, they are trashy and always have been. Even Charles said to his wife ‘Did you think I was going to be the first Prince of Wales to not have a mistress?’


Right?

I just think...Harry didn't do anything that bad? I mean, he's messed up from the trauma of losing his mom when he was so young and then, I think, not having any parent at all who put him first after that horrible day they made him walk on international TV behind his mom's casket. But I don't think he's a bad person. He's spoken about mental health issues a lot, in a way that is helpful to others. He acknowledges that he is a little messed up.

But:

I remember reading how immature he was for having (allegedly) punched his old Uncle Andrew at some family event, and telling William that he "hates" his Uncle Andrew. And...we can see that he was right. Andrew is disgusting.

I have real respect for Harry for taking his family far away from this messed up family who protected this vile abuser for years. I can't really respect William as much, because he was happy to keep in the fold and keep his mouth shut until it could be avoided no longer.

They're all messed up. But Harry is messed up with a little bit of integrity.


I think William is playing the long game and will reshape the monarchy for good when he is king. The Andrew issue is for law enforcement and the courts. That's the only thing that matters as far as Andrew is concerned. Who cares if he's still invited to Christmas dinner? (Though I'm sure he's totally cut off now).


Andrew isn't totally cut off. Charles is still giving him a house, money, and paying his security bills. Charles could use that as leverage to get Andrew to sit down with the Met or the FBI.

William seems to have two planks for his monarchy: 1. I hate Harry and Meghan and will strip their titles, and 2. Royalty with a small "r," which apparently means working less (says he hates ribbon-cutting type events and dress-up events like the Garter ceremony) while refusing to release his tax filings like Charles does. Will and Kate even sent a mispelled tweet from vacation with their greetings for VJ Day, which is normally a huge deal in Britain and has been attended by all available senior royals... until that tweet last August.

Honestly, read the press. That's all you'll see.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To be fair, Harry didn’t say anything that scandalous in his autobiography, even the interviews seemed tame. I am sure he could have said a lot more.
He is just in the receiving end of the tabloid drama that is in many ways controlled by the royal family.
But you are right, they are trashy and always have been. Even Charles said to his wife ‘Did you think I was going to be the first Prince of Wales to not have a mistress?’


Right?

I just think...Harry didn't do anything that bad? I mean, he's messed up from the trauma of losing his mom when he was so young and then, I think, not having any parent at all who put him first after that horrible day they made him walk on international TV behind his mom's casket. But I don't think he's a bad person. He's spoken about mental health issues a lot, in a way that is helpful to others. He acknowledges that he is a little messed up.

But:

I remember reading how immature he was for having (allegedly) punched his old Uncle Andrew at some family event, and telling William that he "hates" his Uncle Andrew. And...we can see that he was right. Andrew is disgusting.

I have real respect for Harry for taking his family far away from this messed up family who protected this vile abuser for years. I can't really respect William as much, because he was happy to keep in the fold and keep his mouth shut until it could be avoided no longer.

They're all messed up. But Harry is messed up with a little bit of integrity.


I think William is playing the long game and will reshape the monarchy for good when he is king. The Andrew issue is for law enforcement and the courts. That's the only thing that matters as far as Andrew is concerned. Who cares if he's still invited to Christmas dinner? (Though I'm sure he's totally cut off now).


Andrew isn't totally cut off. Charles is still giving him a house, money, and paying his security bills. Charles could use that as leverage to get Andrew to sit down with the Met or the FBI.

William seems to have two planks for his monarchy: 1. I hate Harry and Meghan and will strip their titles, and 2. Royalty with a small "r," which apparently means working less (says he hates ribbon-cutting type events and dress-up events like the Garter ceremony) while refusing to release his tax filings like Charles does. Will and Kate even sent a mispelled tweet from vacation with their greetings for VJ Day, which is normally a huge deal in Britain and has been attended by all available senior royals... until that tweet last August.

Honestly, read the press. That's all you'll see.


It's true.

For all his obvious faults, Charles has, for decades, worked to lift up the environment, socially responsible investment, and all the small steps (like responsible gardening) we can take to make our world better. He's shown tremendous ambition when he really didn't have to.

Will, well...hasn't.
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