Great colleges with fewer intense strivers

[Anonymous]

Most state flagships outside of the top 30.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are these people that use the word "striver" when talking about teenagers?

I guess Muffy and Buffy now actually need to study. Tragic. The world is collapsing.

One can study hard and do well without being a total stress case who is constantly saying "what did you get?" and running over peers in order to be #1.

Either 1) you are a striver, or 2) you have been fortunate not to encounter too many of them. They are truly miserable.

Whatever. To strive, if you actually look at a dictionary means, to make a vigorous, determined effort to achieve a goal, often involving hard work, perseverance, and overcoming challenges. Being a striver is a good thing.

I feel like some of these "anti-striver" posts are coded from people who don't want their kids around too many Asians (the way some people didn't want their kids to go to school with Jews in the 1950s.)

Again why is stiver only linked to certain race?

I’m Asian, and even I feel uncomfortable being surrounded by this kind of environment. I see a lot of toxicity—people humble-bragging (like saying they “did terribly” but still got a 99), constantly chasing teachers to curve grades, and complaining about homework and grades while simultaneously demanding to be placed in the most rigorous classes.

Not everyone perceives the world as a zero-sum surviving game.

It's not linked to a certain race or ethnicity. It's more of the "haves" being threatened by the work ethic of the have nots who have to work harder to increase their economic and social status.

You are ignorant and not reading the posts of those who are trying to intelligently describe what a striver is. Being a striver means feeling the need to broadcast the fact that you think you have the world's best work ethic to the world. One can have a great work ethic and not feel the need to constantly be advertising it. Or one can just be super smart and not have to work as hard and still do great. Getting the same results while working less hard is actually a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

A lot of people don't want to be around other people who are constantly telling the world how smart they think they are, and are constantly sucking up to professors. As someone else said, act like you've been there before. And work smarter, not harder.

It is sad that this concept is so difficult for some people to understand. In the professional world, a lot of bosses don't want to hear how hard you worked and how smart you think you are. They just want the work done and done right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are these people that use the word "striver" when talking about teenagers?

I guess Muffy and Buffy now actually need to study. Tragic. The world is collapsing.

One can study hard and do well without being a total stress case who is constantly saying "what did you get?" and running over peers in order to be #1.

Either 1) you are a striver, or 2) you have been fortunate not to encounter too many of them. They are truly miserable.

Whatever. To strive, if you actually look at a dictionary means, to make a vigorous, determined effort to achieve a goal, often involving hard work, perseverance, and overcoming challenges. Being a striver is a good thing.

I feel like some of these "anti-striver" posts are coded from people who don't want their kids around too many Asians (the way some people didn't want their kids to go to school with Jews in the 1950s.)

Again why is stiver only linked to certain race?

I’m Asian, and even I feel uncomfortable being surrounded by this kind of environment. I see a lot of toxicity—people humble-bragging (like saying they “did terribly” but still got a 99), constantly chasing teachers to curve grades, and complaining about homework and grades while simultaneously demanding to be placed in the most rigorous classes.

Not everyone perceives the world as a zero-sum surviving game.

It's not linked to a certain race or ethnicity. It's more of the "haves" being threatened by the work ethic of the have nots who have to work harder to increase their economic and social status.

You are ignorant and not reading the posts of those who are trying to intelligently describe what a striver is. Being a striver means feeling the need to broadcast the fact that you think you have the world's best work ethic to the world. One can have a great work ethic and not feel the need to constantly be advertising it. Or one can just be super smart and not have to work as hard and still do great. Getting the same results while working less hard is actually a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

A lot of people don't want to be around other people who are constantly telling the world how smart they think they are, and are constantly sucking up to professors. As someone else said, act like you've been there before. And work smarter, not harder.

It is sad that this concept is so difficult for some people to understand. In the professional world, a lot of bosses don't want to hear how hard you worked and how smart you think you are. They just want the work done and done right.

I don’t think PP is ignorant. Naturally gifted people are rare, It is tiring to be around aimless sheep if they are the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are these people that use the word "striver" when talking about teenagers?

I guess Muffy and Buffy now actually need to study. Tragic. The world is collapsing.

One can study hard and do well without being a total stress case who is constantly saying "what did you get?" and running over peers in order to be #1.

Either 1) you are a striver, or 2) you have been fortunate not to encounter too many of them. They are truly miserable.

Whatever. To strive, if you actually look at a dictionary means, to make a vigorous, determined effort to achieve a goal, often involving hard work, perseverance, and overcoming challenges. Being a striver is a good thing.

I feel like some of these "anti-striver" posts are coded from people who don't want their kids around too many Asians (the way some people didn't want their kids to go to school with Jews in the 1950s.)

Again why is stiver only linked to certain race?

I’m Asian, and even I feel uncomfortable being surrounded by this kind of environment. I see a lot of toxicity—people humble-bragging (like saying they “did terribly” but still got a 99), constantly chasing teachers to curve grades, and complaining about homework and grades while simultaneously demanding to be placed in the most rigorous classes.

Not everyone perceives the world as a zero-sum surviving game.

It's not linked to a certain race or ethnicity. It's more of the "haves" being threatened by the work ethic of the have nots who have to work harder to increase their economic and social status.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Duke and when I went to a top tier professional school, it was very clear how much more relaxed and comfortable in their own skin the Duke alums than people from almost every other school (while still being top achievers). We got our work done very well with much less drama than others.

Unfortunately, I think Duke has a lot more strivers now than it used to. Which is really too bad. I think a non-striver can still be happy there if they can avoid getting sucked in.

This is satire, right?

I think it's an utter lack of self awareness. I've never met a more obnoxious group as a whole than Duke grads. They are insufferable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest, Holy Cross, Colby, and Colgate.

Colby appears in this survey-based ranking of colleges with the friendliest students, which might be propitious:

Friendliest Students | The Princeton Review https://share.google/U2zmjsX4lWZTbrhMp

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Duke and when I went to a top tier professional school, it was very clear how much more relaxed and comfortable in their own skin the Duke alums than people from almost every other school (while still being top achievers). We got our work done very well with much less drama than others.

Unfortunately, I think Duke has a lot more strivers now than it used to. Which is really too bad. I think a non-striver can still be happy there if they can avoid getting sucked in.

This is satire, right?

I think it's an utter lack of self awareness. I've never met a more obnoxious group as a whole than Duke grads. They are insufferable.

Fully agree

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Anonymous wrote:I hate posters who use the word “strivers.” Any legitimate university will have students who work hard and those who don’t.

Google party school if your kid is the latter.

I dislike it, too, because it’s pejorative of good students, ergo used only by someone whose kid is not = biased discussion so no point in participating

[Anonymous]

Diligent and Striver do not mean the same thing. Many diligent students are not Strivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are these people that use the word "striver" when talking about teenagers?

I guess Muffy and Buffy now actually need to study. Tragic. The world is collapsing.

One can study hard and do well without being a total stress case who is constantly saying "what did you get?" and running over peers in order to be #1.

Either 1) you are a striver, or 2) you have been fortunate not to encounter too many of them. They are truly miserable.

Whatever. To strive, if you actually look at a dictionary means, to make a vigorous, determined effort to achieve a goal, often involving hard work, perseverance, and overcoming challenges. Being a striver is a good thing.

I feel like some of these "anti-striver" posts are coded from people who don't want their kids around too many Asians (the way some people didn't want their kids to go to school with Jews in the 1950s.)

Again why is stiver only linked to certain race?

I’m Asian, and even I feel uncomfortable being surrounded by this kind of environment. I see a lot of toxicity—people humble-bragging (like saying they “did terribly” but still got a 99), constantly chasing teachers to curve grades, and complaining about homework and grades while simultaneously demanding to be placed in the most rigorous classes.

Not everyone perceives the world as a zero-sum surviving game.

It's not linked to a certain race or ethnicity. It's more of the "haves" being threatened by the work ethic of the have nots who have to work harder to increase their economic and social status.

You are ignorant and not reading the posts of those who are trying to intelligently describe what a striver is. Being a striver means feeling the need to broadcast the fact that you think you have the world's best work ethic to the world. One can have a great work ethic and not feel the need to constantly be advertising it. Or one can just be super smart and not have to work as hard and still do great. Getting the same results while working less hard is actually a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

A lot of people don't want to be around other people who are constantly telling the world how smart they think they are, and are constantly sucking up to professors. As someone else said, act like you've been there before. And work smarter, not harder.

It is sad that this concept is so difficult for some people to understand. In the professional world, a lot of bosses don't want to hear how hard you worked and how smart you think you are. They just want the work done and done right.

Sounds like a problem with you and your colleagues. I don’t have colleagues who spend their time telling our bosses how smart they are and how hard they work rather than doing their job.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate posters who use the word “strivers.” Any legitimate university will have students who work hard and those who don’t.

Google party school if your kid is the latter.

I dislike it, too, because it’s pejorative of good students, ergo used only by someone whose kid is not = biased discussion so no point in participating

Another person with no reading comprehension skills. There are lots of good students who aren't strivers. Many of the truly smartest kids I know aren't strivers. They are naturally brilliant but don't feel the need to advertise it or be super competitive about it. And this includes kids of all races, ethnicities, etc.

My kid is top of his class at a very good private school. Other kids know he is very smart and he actively participates in class, but he doesn't advertise his grades to others, ask what others got, or constantly suck up to teachers. Ironically, there are other students who are weaker students than him (he knows because these kids don't shut up about their grades) who are strivers. He tries to avoid them.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Duke and when I went to a top tier professional school, it was very clear how much more relaxed and comfortable in their own skin the Duke alums than people from almost every other school (while still being top achievers). We got our work done very well with much less drama than others.

Unfortunately, I think Duke has a lot more strivers now than it used to. Which is really too bad. I think a non-striver can still be happy there if they can avoid getting sucked in.

This is satire, right?

I think it's an utter lack of self awareness. I've never met a more obnoxious group as a whole than Duke grads. They are insufferable.

Does watching White Lotus season 3 pretty much sum it up? (Duke Grad and a whole insufferable North Carolina family.) Mike White must not have been accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Duke and when I went to a top tier professional school, it was very clear how much more relaxed and comfortable in their own skin the Duke alums than people from almost every other school (while still being top achievers). We got our work done very well with much less drama than others.

Unfortunately, I think Duke has a lot more strivers now than it used to. Which is really too bad. I think a non-striver can still be happy there if they can avoid getting sucked in.

This is satire, right?

I think it's an utter lack of self awareness. I've never met a more obnoxious group as a whole than Duke grads. They are insufferable.

Funny because in corporate America Duke alums have a reputation as being the best to work with because they have people skills, unlike Ivy League nerds, bookworms and strivers. Agree that there are plenty of D-bags from Duke, but there are many who are not.

DDMF.

[Anonymous]

Interesting the debate that emerges from the use of the term Striver. Originally the term was positive (think upward mobility aka Striver's Row in NYC) but that's clearly changed in connection to the academic culture in competitive schools. There is a huge difference between the achievement of excellence for its own sake, vs attainment of the hallmarks of excellence (absent true achievement).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Duke and when I went to a top tier professional school, it was very clear how much more relaxed and comfortable in their own skin the Duke alums than people from almost every other school (while still being top achievers). We got our work done very well with much less drama than others.

Unfortunately, I think Duke has a lot more strivers now than it used to. Which is really too bad. I think a non-striver can still be happy there if they can avoid getting sucked in.

This is satire, right?

I think it's an utter lack of self awareness. I've never met a more obnoxious group as a whole than Duke grads. They are insufferable.

Funny because in corporate America Duke alums have a reputation as being the best to work with because they have people skills, unlike Ivy League nerds, bookworms and strivers. Agree that there are plenty of D-bags from Duke, but there are many who are not.

DDMF.

Interesting, thought the right circle or networking only exists in Ivy League (especially for those have not)