MAGA - why do you hate Europe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t hate Europe. I do hate what they are doing to themselves and their citizens

What exactly are they doing?

Sincere question. All my relatives (in two countries) are good, except that the younger generation in one country can’t afford to buy a house. Though the same holds true for my nieces and nephews in the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:I love Europe as do most MAGAs I know personally.

but their tendency to label any unpopular political “hate speech” to silence their constituents and imprison them for memes is concerning.

They are literally banning nazi rhetoric as they have since the end of WW2. why do you support people promoting Nazi perspectives?

Because blasphemy laws are dumb.

The make certain problems and conversations impossible to discuss because you might offend someone.

Perhaps if your family member had been killed in an oven by Nazis you might feel differently. I find the Trump emphasis on rooting out "antisemitism" at universities inconsistent with his promotion of far right political parties with Europe, which have neoNazi tendencies.

It’s not Nazi rhetoric to use a slur to insult someone who attacked you, in a private conversation no less, but in the UK that gets you arrested.

Hey, remember the guy who spent months in jail in the US because he posted about Charlie Kirk on social media? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[Anonymous]

They hate Europe because Europe has a good work/life balance and they are not enslaved by the billionaires.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is eye-opening with these self-proclaimed MAGA who swear they love Europe. Let's see if they change their mind when Russia starts invading with Trump's blessing.

Europe must take care of itself. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.

Except being the policeman meant opening up and solidifying markets for our businesses, which led to massive expansion of American globalnational corporations and great wealth for the USA. Pulling back on that means others will assume that role, diminishing the US value on the global stage. we are seeing that with Europe rebuilding its defense capacity and China and Russia filling the void in third world countries.

I am not MAGA but some of the grievances on Europe are valid.

Europe still owes us for saving their asses in WWI and WWII. However, how is it that Europe was allowed to not only rebuild their economies but thrive so quickly after having their entire continent destroyed twice? Please. Americans didn't exploit Europe but allowed it to grow as big as it did because America opened its market to Europe even though Europe imposed so many protectionist trade policies against America.

We even allowed so many Europeans to migrate here after WWII, people that the European countries didn't have to support while rebuilding. Not only that, but the Marshall Plan and NATO were backed by American taxpayers. The Soviets and the Warsaw Pact countries aren't anywhere near us so it was mainly to protect their asses while also making sure they don't start another war that we'd have to save them in again.

We also don't have to deal with resurgent Nazi or white nationalist parties in America like they have in basically every country in Europe. Yes, there are a bunch of racist white fkers in America but they don't have the same history and they also don't have the same poll numbers or influence as in Europe.

The fact is that Europe is still a provincial and arrogant group of tribes that obviously have a bunch of Nazis in their midst and they seem to be fine with just hiding them away a few years at a time.

Europeans have loved to sht on America and say how bad things such as racism and crime are. However, racism has always been worse there but there just haven't been too many people to hate on until now.

And you cant make the argument that if we don't "x" then Europe is going to do "y" because why aren't you calling them out for being such a bunch of a-holes then? If they really felt some sort of bond with America (i.e, "white people unite!") then they wouldn't jump so quickly to another sugar daddy once the America piggybank is empty. In the case of that argument, why then should America feel some sort of bond with Europe? Should we not in fact be exploiting them just like they think they can do to us?

Contrarily, when I've visited Asia or spoken to older people from Asia in this country, old people from many countries have been quick to thank America for saving their country from (fill-in-the-blank) leader/country. (I'm not claiming that America hasn't done a lot of bad behavior in those countries or excusing it.) However, I have never met anyone from Europe that has said anything close to this (even though America saved the continent from cultural extinction) except some grandmothers (who survived the Holocaust) of my friends when I was in grade school way back when.

We definitely should maintain NATO but Europe should be paying for the bulk of it at this point and not be freeriding anymore. Seriously, they have serious issues with their border countries like Hungary and Turkey. Why does America have to even police those countries within the EU? Does Brussels have to worry about illegal oil deals by Michigan or Texas?

Yes Chump this and GayDee that. But American leaders come and go. The point stands.

On China and Russia, I think we should bury Russia (economically) and better formalize a Pacific Treaty from the Philippines to Japan and down to Australia/NZ. But this is impossible because too many Japanese like the current PM exist.

The future of the world is in Asia (populations, economies, militaries, etc.) so America needs to focus its energy there and it (along with Pacific allies) need to have command over that ocean.

Your knowledge of history is much weaker than you think.

Show me this amazing history. You're a joke and a Eurosimp. Here are a few more questions you can answer:
- Why are literally the worst problems in the world all next door to the EU? (Russia, MENA, and sub-Saharan Africa)

- Why is Islam in Asia so much less violent than in MENA? (And many of the incidents in Asia can be traced back to problems in MENA)

- Why has Europe not contributed to the security of Asia in any significant manner even though they had colonies there as recently as 1997 and 1999? (Hong Kong and Macao)

- Why is it so much harder for Americans to gain employment in the EU than it is for the reverse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They hate Europe because Europe has a good work/life balance and they are not enslaved by the billionaires.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They hate Europe because Europe has a good work/life balance and they are not enslaved by the billionaires.

They also hate that Europe is putting restrictions on the pet activities of Trump's favorite billionaires. They actually have put restrictions and obligations for corporations to act on data privacy, false information and all the issues where Trump is letting tech bro oligarchs run wild in America.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is eye-opening with these self-proclaimed MAGA who swear they love Europe. Let's see if they change their mind when Russia starts invading with Trump's blessing.

Europe must take care of itself. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.

Except being the policeman meant opening up and solidifying markets for our businesses, which led to massive expansion of American globalnational corporations and great wealth for the USA. Pulling back on that means others will assume that role, diminishing the US value on the global stage. we are seeing that with Europe rebuilding its defense capacity and China and Russia filling the void in third world countries.

I am not MAGA but some of the grievances on Europe are valid.

Europe still owes us for saving their asses in WWI and WWII. However, how is it that Europe was allowed to not only rebuild their economies but thrive so quickly after having their entire continent destroyed twice? Please. Americans didn't exploit Europe but allowed it to grow as big as it did because America opened its market to Europe even though Europe imposed so many protectionist trade policies against America.

We even allowed so many Europeans to migrate here after WWII, people that the European countries didn't have to support while rebuilding. Not only that, but the Marshall Plan and NATO were backed by American taxpayers. The Soviets and the Warsaw Pact countries aren't anywhere near us so it was mainly to protect their asses while also making sure they don't start another war that we'd have to save them in again.

We also don't have to deal with resurgent Nazi or white nationalist parties in America like they have in basically every country in Europe. Yes, there are a bunch of racist white fkers in America but they don't have the same history and they also don't have the same poll numbers or influence as in Europe.

The fact is that Europe is still a provincial and arrogant group of tribes that obviously have a bunch of Nazis in their midst and they seem to be fine with just hiding them away a few years at a time.

Europeans have loved to sht on America and say how bad things such as racism and crime are. However, racism has always been worse there but there just haven't been too many people to hate on until now.

And you cant make the argument that if we don't "x" then Europe is going to do "y" because why aren't you calling them out for being such a bunch of a-holes then? If they really felt some sort of bond with America (i.e, "white people unite!") then they wouldn't jump so quickly to another sugar daddy once the America piggybank is empty. In the case of that argument, why then should America feel some sort of bond with Europe? Should we not in fact be exploiting them just like they think they can do to us?

Contrarily, when I've visited Asia or spoken to older people from Asia in this country, old people from many countries have been quick to thank America for saving their country from (fill-in-the-blank) leader/country. (I'm not claiming that America hasn't done a lot of bad behavior in those countries or excusing it.) However, I have never met anyone from Europe that has said anything close to this (even though America saved the continent from cultural extinction) except some grandmothers (who survived the Holocaust) of my friends when I was in grade school way back when.

We definitely should maintain NATO but Europe should be paying for the bulk of it at this point and not be freeriding anymore. Seriously, they have serious issues with their border countries like Hungary and Turkey. Why does America have to even police those countries within the EU? Does Brussels have to worry about illegal oil deals by Michigan or Texas?

Yes Chump this and GayDee that. But American leaders come and go. The point stands.

On China and Russia, I think we should bury Russia (economically) and better formalize a Pacific Treaty from the Philippines to Japan and down to Australia/NZ. But this is impossible because too many Japanese like the current PM exist.

The future of the world is in Asia (populations, economies, militaries, etc.) so America needs to focus its energy there and it (along with Pacific allies) need to have command over that ocean.

Your knowledge of history is much weaker than you think.

+1

[Anonymous]

Europe should require 5 years of social media history and visas for all MAGA tourists.

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Anonymous wrote:I love Europe as do most MAGAs I know personally.

but their tendency to label any unpopular political “hate speech” to silence their constituents and imprison them for memes is concerning.

They are literally banning nazi rhetoric as they have since the end of WW2. why do you support people promoting Nazi perspectives?

Because blasphemy laws are dumb.

The make certain problems and conversations impossible to discuss because you might offend someone.

Perhaps if your family member had been killed in an oven by Nazis you might feel differently. I find the Trump emphasis on rooting out "antisemitism" at universities inconsistent with his promotion of far right political parties with Europe, which have neoNazi tendencies.

See, here's the problem. Because of that incident now you can't talk about the various migration issues because you're a Nazi if your recognize that there are ongoing problems when you have millions migrate to your country. Then your country becomes undemocratic when topics are taboo and you ban parties or jail people for speech.

See blasphemy laws are dumb.

I've never seen anyone refer to the Holocaust as an "incident." That's a new level of historical denial.

[Anonymous]

MAGA hates everyone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA hates everyone

To be more specific, MAGA hates everyone who is not like them. The very essence of MAGA is fear and hatred of out-groups (they perceive themselves as being the in-group) with a side helping of grievance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t hate Europe. I do hate what they are doing to themselves and their citizens

What exactly are they doing?

Sincere question. All my relatives (in two countries) are good, except that the younger generation in one country can’t afford to buy a house. Though the same holds true for my nieces and nephews in the USA.

Ask Germany, Belgium and Sweden

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is eye-opening with these self-proclaimed MAGA who swear they love Europe. Let's see if they change their mind when Russia starts invading with Trump's blessing.

Europe must take care of itself. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.

Except being the policeman meant opening up and solidifying markets for our businesses, which led to massive expansion of American globalnational corporations and great wealth for the USA. Pulling back on that means others will assume that role, diminishing the US value on the global stage. we are seeing that with Europe rebuilding its defense capacity and China and Russia filling the void in third world countries.

I am not MAGA but some of the grievances on Europe are valid.

Europe still owes us for saving their asses in WWI and WWII. However, how is it that Europe was allowed to not only rebuild their economies but thrive so quickly after having their entire continent destroyed twice? Please. Americans didn't exploit Europe but allowed it to grow as big as it did because America opened its market to Europe even though Europe imposed so many protectionist trade policies against America.

We even allowed so many Europeans to migrate here after WWII, people that the European countries didn't have to support while rebuilding. Not only that, but the Marshall Plan and NATO were backed by American taxpayers. The Soviets and the Warsaw Pact countries aren't anywhere near us so it was mainly to protect their asses while also making sure they don't start another war that we'd have to save them in again.

We also don't have to deal with resurgent Nazi or white nationalist parties in America like they have in basically every country in Europe. Yes, there are a bunch of racist white fkers in America but they don't have the same history and they also don't have the same poll numbers or influence as in Europe.

The fact is that Europe is still a provincial and arrogant group of tribes that obviously have a bunch of Nazis in their midst and they seem to be fine with just hiding them away a few years at a time.

Europeans have loved to sht on America and say how bad things such as racism and crime are. However, racism has always been worse there but there just haven't been too many people to hate on until now.

And you cant make the argument that if we don't "x" then Europe is going to do "y" because why aren't you calling them out for being such a bunch of a-holes then? If they really felt some sort of bond with America (i.e, "white people unite!") then they wouldn't jump so quickly to another sugar daddy once the America piggybank is empty. In the case of that argument, why then should America feel some sort of bond with Europe? Should we not in fact be exploiting them just like they think they can do to us?

Contrarily, when I've visited Asia or spoken to older people from Asia in this country, old people from many countries have been quick to thank America for saving their country from (fill-in-the-blank) leader/country. (I'm not claiming that America hasn't done a lot of bad behavior in those countries or excusing it.) However, I have never met anyone from Europe that has said anything close to this (even though America saved the continent from cultural extinction) except some grandmothers (who survived the Holocaust) of my friends when I was in grade school way back when.

We definitely should maintain NATO but Europe should be paying for the bulk of it at this point and not be freeriding anymore. Seriously, they have serious issues with their border countries like Hungary and Turkey. Why does America have to even police those countries within the EU? Does Brussels have to worry about illegal oil deals by Michigan or Texas?

Yes Chump this and GayDee that. But American leaders come and go. The point stands.

On China and Russia, I think we should bury Russia (economically) and better formalize a Pacific Treaty from the Philippines to Japan and down to Australia/NZ. But this is impossible because too many Japanese like the current PM exist.

The future of the world is in Asia (populations, economies, militaries, etc.) so America needs to focus its energy there and it (along with Pacific allies) need to have command over that ocean.

America did not “save” anyone out of the goodness of its heart. I know that’s the story we’ve been fed, but it’s simply not true. Americans were fully content to let Hitler do his thing until Japan bombed us because we were covertly supplying the Allies.

It all boils down to money and influence. After the war, we had a period of unprecedented prosperity while Europe lived hand to mouth in hovels. Their best scientists - including Nazis and Jews alike - came here and made some of our proudest achievements possible. It allowed us to beat our new enemy - the USSR - in influence and therefore $$$.

I’d say we got the benefit of our bargain and more with our European activities. Maybe not anymore, but they definitely don’t “owe” us anything from the past.

[Anonymous]

This speak for itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is eye-opening with these self-proclaimed MAGA who swear they love Europe. Let's see if they change their mind when Russia starts invading with Trump's blessing.

Europe must take care of itself. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.

Except being the policeman meant opening up and solidifying markets for our businesses, which led to massive expansion of American globalnational corporations and great wealth for the USA. Pulling back on that means others will assume that role, diminishing the US value on the global stage. we are seeing that with Europe rebuilding its defense capacity and China and Russia filling the void in third world countries.

I am not MAGA but some of the grievances on Europe are valid.

Europe still owes us for saving their asses in WWI and WWII. However, how is it that Europe was allowed to not only rebuild their economies but thrive so quickly after having their entire continent destroyed twice? Please. Americans didn't exploit Europe but allowed it to grow as big as it did because America opened its market to Europe even though Europe imposed so many protectionist trade policies against America.

We even allowed so many Europeans to migrate here after WWII, people that the European countries didn't have to support while rebuilding. Not only that, but the Marshall Plan and NATO were backed by American taxpayers. The Soviets and the Warsaw Pact countries aren't anywhere near us so it was mainly to protect their asses while also making sure they don't start another war that we'd have to save them in again.

We also don't have to deal with resurgent Nazi or white nationalist parties in America like they have in basically every country in Europe. Yes, there are a bunch of racist white fkers in America but they don't have the same history and they also don't have the same poll numbers or influence as in Europe.

The fact is that Europe is still a provincial and arrogant group of tribes that obviously have a bunch of Nazis in their midst and they seem to be fine with just hiding them away a few years at a time.

Europeans have loved to sht on America and say how bad things such as racism and crime are. However, racism has always been worse there but there just haven't been too many people to hate on until now.

And you cant make the argument that if we don't "x" then Europe is going to do "y" because why aren't you calling them out for being such a bunch of a-holes then? If they really felt some sort of bond with America (i.e, "white people unite!") then they wouldn't jump so quickly to another sugar daddy once the America piggybank is empty. In the case of that argument, why then should America feel some sort of bond with Europe? Should we not in fact be exploiting them just like they think they can do to us?

Contrarily, when I've visited Asia or spoken to older people from Asia in this country, old people from many countries have been quick to thank America for saving their country from (fill-in-the-blank) leader/country. (I'm not claiming that America hasn't done a lot of bad behavior in those countries or excusing it.) However, I have never met anyone from Europe that has said anything close to this (even though America saved the continent from cultural extinction) except some grandmothers (who survived the Holocaust) of my friends when I was in grade school way back when.

We definitely should maintain NATO but Europe should be paying for the bulk of it at this point and not be freeriding anymore. Seriously, they have serious issues with their border countries like Hungary and Turkey. Why does America have to even police those countries within the EU? Does Brussels have to worry about illegal oil deals by Michigan or Texas?

Yes Chump this and GayDee that. But American leaders come and go. The point stands.

On China and Russia, I think we should bury Russia (economically) and better formalize a Pacific Treaty from the Philippines to Japan and down to Australia/NZ. But this is impossible because too many Japanese like the current PM exist.

The future of the world is in Asia (populations, economies, militaries, etc.) so America needs to focus its energy there and it (along with Pacific allies) need to have command over that ocean.

America did not “save” anyone out of the goodness of its heart. I know that’s the story we’ve been fed, but it’s simply not true. Americans were fully content to let Hitler do his thing until Japan bombed us because we were covertly supplying the Allies.

It all boils down to money and influence. After the war, we had a period of unprecedented prosperity while Europe lived hand to mouth in hovels. Their best scientists - including Nazis and Jews alike - came here and made some of our proudest achievements possible. It allowed us to beat our new enemy - the USSR - in influence and therefore $$$.

I’d say we got the benefit of our bargain and more with our European activities. Maybe not anymore, but they definitely don’t “owe” us anything from the past.

When was this idyllic prosperity for Americans? All of the following can be tied to European colonialism/imperialism. During the 1950s Korean War (because of the Europeans)? During the Cuban Revolution and Berlin Blockade (because of the Europeans)? the 1960s/1970s wars in Indochina (because of the Europeans)? the oil wars during the 1970s/1980s (because of the Europeans)? the ME cesspool for 80 years (because of the Europeans)? all the money and casualties in helping to police Africa (because of the Europeans)?

We've had to deal with all this bs and rack up infinite debt because of the Europeans. Did the Europeans pay to bankrupt the Soviets? It doesn't matter if it was out of goodness or greed. That's our prerogative. We could have left Europe to rot in fascism. We could have taken it over, moved Americans over, and sold the Europeans as slaves to their African colonies. We could have demilitarized the entire continent. etc. etc. But we didn't. We allowed them the security to thrive even though they acted as a prodigal son. Literally everything that Europe got was gravy. They still owe us. Our "open" market has literally paid for their social welfare for decades.