How common or rare is it for top kids to get shutout during RD due to yield management?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.
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Most of them also asked for their admissions file and shared freely with each other including DC.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.


LOL your problem. Suck it, your kid is not getting in.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Most of them also asked for their admissions file and shared freely with each other including DC.


lol, maybe just label your post “troll.”
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.


LOL your problem. Suck it, your kid is not getting in.


You just make it more obvious with each post that you are making things up. Sad.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.


LOL your problem. Suck it, your kid is not getting in.


You just make it more obvious with each post that you are making things up. Sad.


LOL You are just sorry that your kid has no chance.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.


LOL your problem. Suck it, your kid is not getting in.


You just make it more obvious with each post that you are making things up. Sad.


LOL You are just sorry that your kid has no chance.


Why would your obvious lying have anything to do with where my kids go to college? Worse troll on this forum.
Anonymous
Something has to give.

Schools need to rank their applicants early, make offers in batches every 2 weeks, with 2 week deadlines.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting episode today on The Game podcast - and why the stats (GPA/test scores) are ceiling and generally not dispositive of how T10/T20 will determine admission. Esp for a large public HS. Those metrics won't determine admission. He talks about the most common/cliché activities in elite admissions, which basically don't make a difference.

So yes, a high stats kid could ABSOLUTELY get shut out in RD - and its not yield management - it's that nothing stood out other than stats.

This is why the major is important - esp if the profile (resume, ECs, awards, optional electives) can be as important as stats in determining admission to T20 in RD.

Something needs to be fundamentally different (or uncommon) about your kid in RD to have an exceptional RD run.

This was our experience last cycle, where my very unique kid (niche academic interests, niche ECs) had an exceptional RD run.

Back here now for my junior, who is not so unique and differentiated. Definitely a concern.


The 6 cliche and overly common activities were these (they are not unique and not compelling):
- Sports (including club) if not recruited
- Summer programs (vast majority are a waste), and other than a handful, none are elite
- Music (at a non-exceptional level), especially if not relevant to your academic hook
- Service (including tutoring)
- STEM activities (including robotics)
- Business (DECA, FBLA, business clubs/competitions, and summer programs)


This guy is just following Charlie Munger who he quotes often:

Once Charlie Munger was in Minnesota and he was buying a fishing lure. And he looked at it and he said, My god, it's pink and green and do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, "Well Mister, I don't sell to fish".

The anecdote illustrates a key business principle: you need to market and sell a product based on what the customer wants, not necessarily what the end-user (the fish, in this case) might prefer, or what you, as the seller, might think makes logical sense.

So this guy is just selling to parents who are desperate for a formula that gets their kid into Ivies.

DC is at a HYPSM, and is more a well rounded kid who excelled in academics and played a sport for 2 seasons, instrument for 2 seasons and bit of this and that. Over represented minority from a public HS in a popular major.

The few of DC's suite mates and most friends that we know of are all well rounded. All UMC, some public and some private HS's. A sample size of around 10 but it seems so different from what this guy keeps talking about.




What state?
Yes, that is unusual.


It's unreal. If it's real, do you think "suite mates and most friends" would brag about their spikes in college admissions? It's something only AOs care about. It's weird a young adult at an elite college would discuss this kind of stuff. It's even more weird a mom would know DC's 10 friends' spikes, or absence thereof.


LOL Do you talk to you kids at all?

The kids were still pretty excited and happy (I cannot believe I got into this college phase). We had a parent reception and dinner. Most of the suitemates familes who came sat at the same table or close by. One brought a sibling who is applying this year and all the other suitemates were encouraging her and giving her tips. No you dont need that, this is what I did, this is the what I have, etc. It is entertaining and informative.

I am in the DC metro area.



Sure, Jan. No one is buying it.


LOL your problem. Suck it, your kid is not getting in.


You just make it more obvious with each post that you are making things up. Sad.


LOL You are just sorry that your kid has no chance.


Why would your obvious lying have anything to do with where my kids go to college? Worse troll on this forum.


Bitter much! LOL
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Something has to give.

Schools need to rank their applicants early, make offers in batches every 2 weeks, with 2 week deadlines.



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