How common or rare is it for top kids to get shutout during RD due to yield management?
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Anonymous
| If a student fits the profile of kids who got into T10 from the same high school, but this year the SCEA school this student wants to apply to is taking recruited athletes/donor legacy instead, what are the risks that the unconnected top stats candidate will then get rejected everywhere during RD? |
Anonymous
| Very common if oversubscribed major. |
Anonymous
| So you mean for HYPSM? Very common to be shut out in RD - it’s a reach for everyone even with perfect stats. |
Anonymous
| Low if you build a list wisely. Doesn't mean the kid will definitely get into one of 10 specific schools, but they won't be "shutout" of going to college. |
Anonymous
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I would not send an early app to the SCEA schools if unhooked - donor, athlete, first generation and so on. Save those apps for RD.
For unhooked, choose a different school besides HYPS in the early round. In RD, things tend to be very difficult. Both Vanderbilt and Duke are below 4 percent. Penn and Cornell are below 6 percent. And so on. |
Anonymous
| You need to include either a rolling application -- admissions in hand -- or apply to a school that doesn't practice yield protection (and, of course, prepare the application with care and attention, so that they don't think they are plan B). |
Anonymous
RD is extremely difficult for every T10 school, not just HYPMS. For T10 other than HYPMS, ED provides a real advantage. If you have the stats for T10, the safest way to proceed is ED1 Chicago. If you really want to ED1 another T10 or EA HYPMS, I suggest ED2 Chicago when rejected or deferred. This will maximize your chance at a T10. |
Anonymous
That only makes sense if you are prioritizing going to a "top 10," any top 10, over actual fit. Don't apply ED to Chicago unless that's where you actually want to go over any other school. |
Anonymous
| That's why shotgunning with uniformly high effort – researching, touring, writing – for each school helps. Just basic probability theory. The hard part is to not let the large number of applications dilute the quality of any single one. |
Anonymous
| At our high school, something exciting happening in RD has about a 25% hit rate among the top 5% of the class. Most of these top kids who wait for RD end up at large public universities instead. |
Anonymous
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In the real world, it's very rare.
In the DCUM world, it happens every time your kid isn't accepted. |
Anonymous
No it’s simply far more likely to happen in wealthy, white and Asian schools with high performers, especially public schools. |
Anonymous
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Op some schools may be a better fit than others.
Consider a Vanderbilt, Rice, WashU ED2 depending on major/fit etc. At Vanderbilt, from our private, a strong but not top 5-10% of class who ED2 likely to be deferred and admitted in RD - they like to calculate yield that way. Your school may be different. |
Anonymous
| I'm Op. I realized my question wasn't clear - sorry. What I meant is if a top student follows CC advice to go for a T10 during SCEA, if she doesn't get in and applies more broadly during RD, what are the change that this applicant would get shutout by other T30 colleges due to yield management? The ones she would apply in RD include schools like Swarthmore, Harvey Mudd, Rice, Pitt, GA Tech, Brown, Lehigh. This is a science major. The ones she really wants would be HM and Brown. Thx |
Anonymous
| Pitt does rolling admission - get app in Sept. and have that acceptance in Oct |